Comrade 86 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Archied said: That’s rather closed minded ,, I take my immunology and virology advice from behavioural scientists ? serious question,, are there not any parts of this now that give you concern of where we are headed ? Of course. I'm a father too and there was enough to concern me even before Covid. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: This is a proper concern. Your average person won’t ordinarily put their heart under stress very often. However, there’s been an alarming number of professional athletes and sports people collapsing, dying and discovering new heart problems after vaccines. if you haven’t seen this video, please give it a watch. Matt Le Tissier is an intelligent man, concise, clearly no nut job, has no agenda has nothing to sell https://brandnewtube.com/v/IU2OtN Who? There were many anti-vax morons spreading lies that Christian Eriksen fell into this category before his agent came out and confirmed he hadn’t even had the vaccine. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Who? There were many anti-vax morons spreading lies that Christian Eriksen fell into this category before his agent came out and confirmed he hadn’t even had the vaccine. Aguero probably most famous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Aguero probably most famous. HIs cardiologist said it has nothing to do with Covid or a vaccine. Next.... Mostyn6, Wolfie and ariotofmyown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Who? There were many anti-vax morons spreading lies that Christian Eriksen fell into this category before his agent came out and confirmed he hadn’t even had the vaccine. The problem is there are too many morons on both extremes of this situation, people probably do go to extremes re the vaccine dangers ( all medicines have dangers ) problem is the fertile breeding ground for this kind of thinking are things like pushing mass vaccination on catagory s of people that don’t really need it and pushing vaccine passports when we don’t have a vaccine that stops the spread , people at the top pushing mass fear on the population that it’s clear by they’re behaviour they don’t fear themselves and more worryingly the demonisation of groups or individuals that agree with everything and that most certainly includes intelligent qualified people as well as what some class as nut jobs , personally I would love to see us develop to a point where we found balance ,, you can believe covid is real and serious but also stand up and say NO this or that reaction / policy towards it is wrong and we are heading somewhere that this doesn’t warrant and it’s not the kind of world I want for future generations, you’ve on got to look at the likes of sturgeon, macron and the Canadian Justin s kind of rhetoric, some stuff I’ve seen from Australian politicians to see the danger in handing such sweeping power to governments ??♂️ Norman, uttoxram75 and Andrew3000 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, sage said: HIs cardiologist said it has nothing to do with Covid or a vaccine. Next.... Surely we can’t discount long covid ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, sage said: HIs cardiologist said it has nothing to do with Covid or a vaccine. Next.... https://www.eurosport.com/football/liga/2021-2022/sergio-aguero-s-cardiologist-says-a-virus-could-be-behind-the-heart-problems-which-caused-early-reti_sto8674185/story.shtml If you read beyond the headline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Archied said: The problem is there are too many morons on both extremes of this situation, people probably do go to extremes re the vaccine dangers ( all medicines have dangers ) problem is the fertile breeding ground for this kind of thinking are things like pushing mass vaccination on catagory s of people that don’t really need it and pushing vaccine passports when we don’t have a vaccine that stops the spread , people at the top pushing mass fear on the population that it’s clear by they’re behaviour they don’t fear themselves and more worryingly the demonisation of groups or individuals that agree with everything and that most certainly includes intelligent qualified people as well as what some class as nut jobs , personally I would love to see us develop to a point where we found balance ,, you can believe covid is real and serious but also stand up and say NO this or that reaction / policy towards it is wrong and we are heading somewhere that this doesn’t warrant and it’s not the kind of world I want for future generations, you’ve on got to look at the likes of sturgeon, macron and the Canadian Justin s kind of rhetoric, some stuff I’ve seen from Australian politicians to see the danger in handing such sweeping power to governments ??♂️ I’m against vaccine passports, mandatory vaccinations and vaccinating children against parent consent. I believe most people are. Unfortunately you get nut jobs on both ends of the spectrum. Archied and Boycie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: You’re quoting vaccine statistics, I was talking about the supposed Pfizer trials data. Pfizer requested sealing the data for 55years. Not exactly. The FDA said that, with their current workload and staffing levels, it would take them 55 years to redact all of the Pfizer documentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Archied said: That’s rather closed minded ,, I take my immunology and virology advice from behavioural scientists ? serious question,, are there not any parts of this now that give you concern of where we are headed ? I'm seriously concerned now. Boris has just said that the conspiracy theorists' stuff is 'mumbo jumbo' - which, going by his previous form relating to his straight-uppedness and believability, means that they are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 52 minutes ago, sage said: HIs cardiologist said it has nothing to do with Covid or a vaccine. Next.... He was the Argentinian poster boy, telling kids to get Vaccines..... of course they're not going to admit the vaccine wrecked his heart! Hahaha Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 48 minutes ago, sage said: HIs cardiologist said it has nothing to do with Covid or a vaccine. Next.... People who want to believe so much that vaccines are problematic will continue to spread lies about them. That they call the rest as brainwashed or under control is utterly laughable. Some people are just wired differently. I had an uncle who was convinced the government poisoned tap water so he refused to drink/use it. All his kids (my cousins) are anti-vax and some of the stuff they come out with is truly mind boggling. Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: He was the Argentinian poster boy, telling kids to get Vaccines..... of course they're not going to admit the vaccine wrecked his heart! Hahaha I laughed when @Eddie you should seek help. I'm not laughing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Eddie said: I'm seriously concerned now. Boris has just said that the conspiracy theorists' stuff is 'mumbo jumbo' - which, going by his previous form relating to his straight-uppedness and believability, means that they are right. joking aside Eddie, as someone who's admired you and your intellect for many a moon, I was genuinely wondering what it would take for you to be suspicious of the way the Vaccines have been quickly created and rolled (forced) out. Who would make you think "hey, summat's not right here!" if they piped up and raised concerns? Just to be clear, I know Covid exists, I had it, it was very bad, and I couldn't breathe. AS a diabetic too, I was scared. I had the first 2 jabs, albeit with many doubts of the authenticity of the claims of what it was. Pre-Covid, the Conspiracy theories doing the rounds were all about control, social-class systems (like in China), digitalising all money (cashless society), and removing ownership of things (everyone hires/rents everything). Backing up this, was a supposed attempt to wipe out 1.6bn people over 10 years (by killing off the old and ill, and reducing child births). There is a notion that old people don't contribute anything (in taxes), and hold onto their money and live longer. Now all of that sounds ridiculous to your average human. But there are people more evil than you and I. Wealth creates power and influence. Hearing crackpots like Gates talking about people like me as if I am a cancer on HIS planet makes me think that something isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, sage said: I laughed when @Eddie you should seek help. I'm not laughing now. https://diariodevallarta.com/en/mas-de-75-deportistas-repentinamente-fallecidos-en-5-meses/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, sage said: I laughed when @Eddie you should seek help. I'm not laughing now. did you happen to listen to the Le Tissier interview I posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: https://diariodevallarta.com/en/mas-de-75-deportistas-repentinamente-fallecidos-en-5-meses/ This is garbage when you know they list Eriksen who hadn’t even had the vaccine at the time of his collapse. The Aguero one as well. He has had heart issues since 2004. Why are you so desperate to find fault with the vaccine that you believe these conspiracies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: This is garbage when you know they list Eriksen who hadn’t even had the vaccine at the time of his collapse. The Aguero one as well. He has had heart issues since 2004. Why are you so desperate to find fault with the vaccine that you believe these conspiracies? simply because my brain tells me that it's impossible to develop, test and successfully launch a vaccine so quickly. Especially when they still do not know for definite where the Covid came from and definitively how it's transmitted. The truth is always follow the money. The measures in place, and the propaganda has ALL been predicted by the "conspiracy theorists" from minute one. 1 death is 1 death too many as far as I am concerned, for a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission. For a vaccine that can supposedly protect you from Covid, but cannot protect you from the unvaccinated. The fact that £9bn was added to the share value of the top 10 Pharmaceutical share-holders holdings within a week of "Omicron" being mentioned. The fact that the booster was already the right vaccine for Omicron within a day of it being a variant of concern, the fact that on Christmas Eve, they were already saying the 3rd jab was already waning and a 4th booster was needed...... do I need to carry on? Everything they have said has been utter guesswork, or even worse, it's been blantantly untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: joking aside Eddie, as someone who's admired you and your intellect for many a moon, I was genuinely wondering what it would take for you to be suspicious of the way the Vaccines have been quickly created and rolled (forced) out. Who would make you think "hey, summat's not right here!" if they piped up and raised concerns? Just to be clear, I know Covid exists, I had it, it was very bad, and I couldn't breathe. AS a diabetic too, I was scared. I had the first 2 jabs, albeit with many doubts of the authenticity of the claims of what it was. Pre-Covid, the Conspiracy theories doing the rounds were all about control, social-class systems (like in China), digitalising all money (cashless society), and removing ownership of things (everyone hires/rents everything). Backing up this, was a supposed attempt to wipe out 1.6bn people over 10 years (by killing off the old and ill, and reducing child births). There is a notion that old people don't contribute anything (in taxes), and hold onto their money and live longer. Now all of that sounds ridiculous to your average human. But there are people more evil than you and I. Wealth creates power and influence. Hearing crackpots like Gates talking about people like me as if I am a cancer on HIS planet makes me think that something isn't right. What did Gates say about people like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: This is garbage when you know they list Eriksen who hadn’t even had the vaccine at the time of his collapse. The Aguero one as well. He has had heart issues since 2004. Why are you so desperate to find fault with the vaccine that you believe these conspiracies? did you miss the bit where they said "We do not claim that all of these people have become ill and died from vaccination, or that there is a proven relationship in the case of vaccination."? The article is about sudden heart issues in a time when Vaccines being pushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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