Stive Pesley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, TexasRam said: And it’s just the beginning Unemployment rate hits highest level in three years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54520521 I know you love a graph It's been much worse than this - and there was no pandemic back then. Wasn't that technically "just the beginning"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, JoetheRam said: So it was higher in 2017 when there was no COVID? Interesting. It’s just starting to increase, obviously lagging behind the restrictions. My prediction is (and I’m not DR Whitless) by Q1 next year we can add an increase of at least 15-20% of that number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, TexasRam said: It’s just starting to increase, obviously lagging behind the restrictions. My prediction is (and I’m not DR Whitless) by Q1 next year we can add an increase of at least 15-20% of that number I do find it slightly amusing that those who would generally throw 'but austerity caused 100k' deaths at others now argue that things aren't (currently) as bad as a few years ago. As you said, give it 6-12 months then we'll really start to see the full effects of the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, maxjam said: I do find it slightly amusing that those who would generally throw 'but austerity caused 100k' deaths at others now argue that things aren't (currently) as bad as a few years ago. Don't know if that was aimed at me, but that's not what I'm arguing. I suppose I'm just trying to point out that when brutal austerity was killing people, causing high unemployment, and laying the groundwork for societal collapse - certain people didn't seem bothered. But now they are. Because it's affecting what they perceive as their liberty I guess. That disconnect suggests that it's not really the unemployment that they care about - but rather the indirect impact it has on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: but rather the indirect impact it has on them Always is every time for everyone either direct or in direct, anyone who says different is a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, TexasRam said: It’s just starting to increase, obviously lagging behind the restrictions. My prediction is (and I’m not DR Whitless) by Q1 next year we can add an increase of at least 15-20% of that number The majority of job losses over the past few months seems to be in the hospitality and travel sector. Most other sectors, seem to be surviving, despite struggling. How do you genuinely believe we'll see unemployment rise to 20-25%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Redundancies at the highest level since 2009. Unemployment at its highest since 2017. And Christmas looks like it will be a massive flop for retailers - and the hospitality sector in particular. The first 3 months of 2021 look like they might be devastating. That's when it will bite. I'm very worried for the future and I work in a sector where I will only lose my job if I lose my temper. They say a weak economy is held up by the housing market. That's us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The majority of job losses over the past few months seems to be in the hospitality and travel sector. Most other sectors, seem to be surviving, despite struggling. How do you genuinely believe we'll see unemployment rise to 20-25%? You know how the economy works right? How things are independent etc. I’ll leave it at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: The "fight back"? Against who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Well I'll have to put up my hands and admit that I've been doing our government a disservice, when I've been calling them a bunch of incompetent bamfords. The government may be bamfords but they are decidedly not incompetent. While the posters on here, along with much of the country have been squabbling between themselves about the coronavirus, the rights and wrongs of lockdowns and how the country should be dealing with it. Cummings and his mates have been happily stuffing millions of pounds into the pockets of friends and family, for services or products that been either inadequate or totally none existent . This is more than cronyism, this is out and out corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The majority of job losses over the past few months seems to be in the hospitality and travel sector. Most other sectors, seem to be surviving, despite struggling. How do you genuinely believe we'll see unemployment rise to 20-25%? There is a lot of doom and gloom from some people on this. We should also recognise that there are certain sectors which are booming because of Covid - and plenty of sectors (as @Normanpoints out) that will be totally unaffected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Cummings and his mates have been happily stuffing millions of pounds into the pockets of friends and family, for services or products that been either inadequate or totally none existent . This is more than cronyism, this is out and out corruption. Ah - you're talking about the strange private companies that incorporated out of nowhere with £100 capital and then immediately won multi-million pound contracts to deliver PPE (which upon closer investigation is just drop-shipped from China)? You have to applaud the opportunists though - I'm sure it's nothing to do with their close links to government ministers, and just down to their pure hard work and entrepreneurial skills Quite right that we should get mad with each other for slight disagreements over the way stats are generated/interpreted - and not get mad with the blatant corruption going on in plain sight. What would be the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Well I'll have to put up my hands and admit that I've been doing our government a disservice, when I've been calling them a bunch of incompetent bamfords. The government may be bamfords but they are decidedly not incompetent. While the posters on here, along with much of the country have been squabbling between themselves about the coronavirus, the rights and wrongs of lockdowns and how the country should be dealing with it. Cummings and his mates have been happily stuffing millions of pounds into the pockets of friends and family, for services or products that been either inadequate or totally none existent . This is more than cronyism, this is out and out corruption. It's also politics which is quite clearly banned in the rules of the forum...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Khan has come out again and said he wants to move London into tier 2. He's been saying we've been on the brink for weeks now but the growth just isn't as exponential or high as other places so I don't see how it's justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gaspode said: It's also politics which is quite clearly banned in the rules of the forum...... No more political than the number of posts regarding how the government have dealt with the lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Gaspode said: It's also politics which is quite clearly banned in the rules of the forum...... Obviously not. Seeing as though a moderator has reacted to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, 1of4 said: No more political than the number of posts regarding how the government have dealt with the lockdown. Look matey, it's really very simple... It's not 'political' if you are in any way complimentary about government efforts to stem the pandemic. If however, you are in any way critical of said government, then that's clearly 'political' and as such, is widely frowned upon. I trust that clears things up for you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Norman said: Obviously not. Seeing as though a moderator has reacted to the post. It's a good point though. It's really hard to draw a line on the covid thread between the political and the personal The reason the old politics thread was locked was down to personal attacks, insults and excessive requirements for moderator actions If we avoid going down that path with our comments then we might be fine, but it would definitely be worth a moderator making an official statement on the matter. If he can stand at a podium while doing it, that would be even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Don't know if that was aimed at me, but that's not what I'm arguing. I suppose I'm just trying to point out that when brutal austerity was killing people, causing high unemployment, and laying the groundwork for societal collapse - certain people didn't seem bothered. But now they are. Because it's affecting what they perceive as their liberty I guess. That disconnect suggests that it's not really the unemployment that they care about - but rather the indirect impact it has on them It wasn't really aimed at anyone tbh, other than I've seen this comment pop up a few times. Austerity was forced upon to bring our spending under control, given that our debt has now gone up to levels not seen since the war, Austerity 2.0 should be er, 'fun'. Although after the war, seeing as parts of the UK had been levelled by nazi bombs we could actually 'build back better'. Not quite sure how we're gonna reduce a £2tn and counting debt this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Look matey, it's really very simple... It's not 'political' if you are in any way complimentary about government efforts to stem the pandemic. If however, you are in any way critical of said government, then that's clearly 'political' and as such, is widely frowned upon. I trust that clears things up for you ? Those arses aren't going to lick themselves, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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