cstand Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 hours ago, BaaLocks said: Would you like to furnish this with a few examples so that we can see it's not just a redtop fuelled tirade of uninformed bilge? So far, the only one I can quote myself, trying to give you a bit of a start, is the tampon tax - so we'll end period poverty for some at the cost of a period of poverty for all. But over to you now, come forth and educate us all.... Seek and you will find https://brexitcentral.com/how-the-british-conception-of-sovereignty-makes-eu-membership-untenable/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, cstand said: Seek and you will find https://brexitcentral.com/how-the-british-conception-of-sovereignty-makes-eu-membership-untenable/ You do know that website's editor in chief is one Matthew Elliott, founder of the Taxpayers Alliance, founder of NotoAV, and of Vote Leave? And said organisation has raised many eyebrows by being granted a press pass by Cummings that gives them full access, despite being "campaigners masquerading as journalists "? This is not red top bilge. This is not reporting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: You do know that website's editor in chief is one Matthew Elliott, founder of the Taxpayers Alliance, founder of NotoAV, and of Vote Leave? And said organisation has raised many eyebrows by being granted a press pass by Cummings that gives them full access, despite being "campaigners masquerading as journalists "? This is not red top bilge. This is not reporting at all. Tax payers alliance did not know it was that good thanks for the info. So you ignored the content purely based on the author? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 hours ago, BaaLocks said: Would you like to furnish this with a few examples so that we can see it's not just a redtop fuelled tirade of uninformed bilge? So far, the only one I can quote myself, trying to give you a bit of a start, is the tampon tax - so we'll end period poverty for some at the cost of a period of poverty for all. But over to you now, come forth and educate us all.... What exactly are you asking for examples of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, cstand said: Tax payers alliance did not know it was that good thanks for the info. So you ignored the content purely based on the author? No, I read the content a d researched the author in order to put the writing in context. Ie to further an agenda, rather than to inform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: You do know that website's editor in chief is one Matthew Elliott, founder of the Taxpayers Alliance, founder of NotoAV, and of Vote Leave? And said organisation has raised many eyebrows by being granted a press pass by Cummings that gives them full access, despite being "campaigners masquerading as journalists "? This is not red top bilge. This is not reporting at all. The only people that are bothered about Cummings are the left wing losers in the last GE who really should be looking at their own behaviour that brought about the worse election result for the Labour Party in living memory but you just cannot help yourselves can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, cstand said: The only people that are bothered about Cummings are the left wing losers in the last GE who really should be looking at their own behaviour that brought about the worse election result for Labour Party in living memory but you just cannot help yourselves can you? Why are you still going on about Labour's election results? That's ancient history. And for you Tories, surely you're happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Why are you still going on about Labour's election results? That's ancient history. And for you Tories, surely you're happy? Still in denial you are handing the next GE result on a plate to the Tories. Being a Tory and voting for the Tories are not the same I have never paid a penny into the Tory party but I have into the Labour Party via my union subscription but that will come to and end after 40 years in April. Anyhow time to go I am rather tired need sleep same as Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 hours ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: So there is a magic money tree after all Not any more, the chancellor didn't just strip it bare. He pulled it up by the roots, put it through the chipper and turned it into mulch. As for paying for all the chancellor's borrowing. One can assume that the government won't ask the wealthiest top one percent of the country to contribute a little more, to help reduce the nations debt. No that burden will fall on to the same shoulders that paid for the bankers rooster-up. People further down the wealth ladder, those who were less able to afford to pay the extra costs incurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, cstand said: The only people that are bothered about Cummings are the left wing losers in the last GE who really should be looking at their own behaviour that brought about the worse election result for the Labour Party in living memory but you just cannot help yourselves can you? Perhaps you should re-read the above drivel and ask yourself the question "why should our governance system allow our published media content to be set by unelected, but highly partisan, individuals. " Try thinking about it rather than simply throwing teenage put-downs around which are not even factually accurate (I did not vote Labour at the last election). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, 1of4 said: Not any more, the chancellor didn't just strip it bare. He pulled it up by the roots, put it through the chipper and turned it into mulch. As for paying for all the chancellor's borrowing. One can assume that the government won't ask the wealthiest top one percent of the country to contribute a little more, to help reduce the nations debt. No that burden will fall on to the same shoulders that paid for the bankers rooster-up. People further down the wealth ladder, those who were less able to afford to pay the extra costs incurred. Should file away for now, and revisit in detail when the autumn statement/spending review comes out. Look out for potential backsliding, new taxes, pledges re-set due to the adverse effects of coronavirus etc etc Was it merely an extremely effective piece of political theatre, or a genuine move in a new direction? We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 11 hours ago, cstand said: The only people that are bothered about Cummings are the left wing losers in the last GE You may be right, but actually everyone should be bothered by the amount of power and influence (the unelected) Cummings is wielding over our government I'm less bothered about his personal politics (I said a couple of weeks back that I actually find myself in agreement with *some* of his views) - it's the principle that concerns me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: You may be right, but actually everyone should be bothered by the amount of power and influence (the unelected) Cummings is wielding over our government I'm less bothered about his personal politics (I said a couple of weeks back that I actually find myself in agreement with *some* of his views) - it's the principle that concerns me At this moment in time this country needs to be united in its stance to get a deal done as soon as possible with the EU or leave under WTO rules the uncertainty is no good to us or the EU. Obviously the Coronavirus is the main priority and we should extend the transition period for that reason. When this is all sorted you can talk about Cummings as much as you want it’s just not a priority in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, cstand said: At this moment in time this country needs to be united in its stance to get a deal done as soon as possible with the EU or leave under WTO rules the uncertainty is no good to us or the EU. Obviously the Coronavirus is the main priority and we should extend the transition period for that reason. When this is all sorted you can talk about Cummings as much as you want it’s just not a priority in my opinion. Why does the country need to be united to get a deal. We were told before the referendum that getting a deal would be the easiest thing ever. There was also no talk of leaving without a deal that could seriously damage the country. If I voted Leave I'd be rather fed up how the goalposts have moved so far since the referendum. Newsflash...I forgot we won the war. Let's stick it to the EU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Why does the country need to be united to get a deal. We were told before the referendum that getting a deal would be the easiest thing ever. There was also no talk of leaving without a deal that could seriously damage the country. If I voted Leave I'd be rather fed up how the goalposts have moved so far since the referendum. Newsflash...I forgot we won the war. Let's stick it to the EU! Ok if makes you happy leave with WTO tariffs hopefully Boris will tell them tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, cstand said: Ok if makes you happy leave with WTO tariffs hopefully Boris will tell them tomorrow. Would you have voted Leave if you had actually been told how difficult getting a good deal would be and that we might well end up without a deal which could have severe economic impacts? The general tone from prominent leavers was the EU would do as we say because we are British god dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, ariotofmyown said: Would you have voted Leave if you had actually been told how difficult getting a good deal would be and that we might well end up without a deal which could have severe economic impacts? The general tone from prominent leavers was the EU would do as we say because we are British god dammit. Why do you think I voted leave I could be a remainer who actually stands up for the principal to honour the referendum result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, cstand said: Why do you think I voted leave I could be a remainer who actually stands up for the principal to honour the referendum result? Agreed - stereotyping people is absolutely wrong. Not everyone who voted leave is as thick as mince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, cstand said: Why do you think I voted leave I could be a remainer who actually stands up for the principal to honour the referendum result? Leave voters are fine. It's remainers who honoured the referendum result that I can't abide! They are the real traitors and should be locked up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Agreed - stereotyping people is absolutely wrong. Not everyone who voted leave is as thick as mince Insulting leave voters resulted in a massive majority for the Tories so please carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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