Angry Ram Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Highgate said: 1. That's a moot point, had Remain won there would have been no debacle, just business as usual. So the politicians would have been in the dark about the mess that follows a Brexit vote. Therefore no increased fear of offering another referendum in the future had the general public wanted it. 2. The question helps elucidate the motivations behind your vote to leave in the original referendum. If you would have voted leave, even if the current EU were to continue as is for the foreseeable future, then you aren't displaying the sort of irrational behaviour that I was attempting to highlight. 3. The point was that the Leave and Remain options were never equivalent in their ambiguity, as some have suggested. As you say, Remaining is perfectly simple, who can say that about the Leave option? So you seem to agree with the point I was making. Which is the right and wrong option is a matter of opinion, and obviously the simplicity of an option does not mean that it's necessarily the right one to take, but who has. or would. suggest anything of the sort? 4. Tough crowd ? Twilight Zone.. Remain did not win. People voted for many reasons. I said simple is not always the right option.. No electricity in Ireland this evening? Bung a bit of peat on the fire.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, Angry Ram said: Twilight Zone.. Remain did not win. People voted for many reasons. I said simple is not always the right option.. No electricity in Ireland this evening? Bung a bit of peat on the fire.. That's not related to anything I said. At least not logically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 As Parliament as not yet been dissolved and the election campaign as not officially started.The unscrupulous tory party are already scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The have already been spreading fake news, after they posted an interview of Labour's Keir Starmer, that had been doctored to show him not answering a question about his party's brexit policy. A full copy of the interview shows him answering all the questions asked of him. Along with Downing Street refusing to release the report into Russia's influence on recent elections and referendums. One can only wonder what the conservatives don't want the pupil to see, before they go to the polling stations in December? Well we can see how the tories intend to conduct their election campaign. Start at the bottom of the morality and honesty scale and stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Highgate said: That's not related to anything I said. At least not logically. You were rambling hypothetical.. It meant nothing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, 1of4 said: As Parliament as not yet been dissolved and the election campaign as not officially started.The unscrupulous tory party are already scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The have already been spreading fake news, after they posted an interview of Labour's Keir Starmer, that had been doctored to show him not answering a question about his party's brexit policy. A full copy of the interview shows him answering all the questions asked of him. Along with Downing Street refusing to release the report into Russia's influence on recent elections and referendums. One can only wonder what the conservatives don't want the pupil to see, before they go to the polling stations in December? Well we can see how the tories intend to conduct their election campaign. Start at the bottom of the morality and honesty scale and stay there. You'll probably have Johnson having ago at the Letterboxes, Watermelons and Bumboys again. He's actually a real liberal you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 hours ago, SouthStandDan said: I know why Jo Swinson wants to stay in the EU. Last year her husband was paid just over £3.3 million pounds by the EU which he would obviously lose this year if we left Europe. £3.3 Million is a great personal conflict of interests. Under Government rules she had to declare this family interest to Parliament. Except she didn't, she forgot. What a crook. Not saying you're a mug - and I have no time for Jo Swinson, but apparently this was fake news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Not saying you're a mug - and I have no time for Jo Swinson, but apparently this was fake news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 What a rubbish world we live in. Is there anyway out of this mess or does it just get worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, Angry Ram said: You were rambling hypothetical.. It meant nothing.. The Hypothetical vs The Incoherent then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Not saying you're a mug - and I have no time for Jo Swinson, but apparently this was fake news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 Its interesting what people class as fake news. I've seen it said numerous times that Jacob Rees Mogg will personally benefit from Brexit when there is no actual evidence of this. Although Swinson's husband does not appear to have personally benefitted from EU grants, the Berlin office of the company he works for benefitted from a £3m grant. Am I the only one that can see double standards in what is and what isnt classes as fake news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 14 hours ago, GboroRam said: Pretty obvious to me. Surely we all know what Monopoly is. Panoply must be the opposite. Which means it's something like Cluedo. Go for broke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 22 hours ago, Angry Ram said: Read @ariotofmyown post again and the ones just above it. He is on your team.. I guess the degree of subtleness was so low, that you missed it. I am not on anyone's team, don't you have some pollution trip you need to be on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Good old tories, treating people like poo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50302573 Grenfell Tower: Jacob Rees-Mogg criticised for 'insulting' comments, then that bull head thicko, Andrew Bridgen, goes and backs him up! Jacob Rees-Mogg has been criticised for saying it would have been "common sense" to flee the Grenfell Tower fire, ignoring fire brigade advice. Both should resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, McRamFan said: I am not on anyone's team, don't you have some pollution trip you need to be on? Ooooh hark at you. Yep, I am destroying the planet later this month. 3500 miles in the air, glass of champagne, good food and a movie or two. Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 51 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Good old tories, treating people like poo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50302573 Grenfell Tower: Jacob Rees-Mogg criticised for 'insulting' comments, then that bull head thicko, Andrew Bridgen, goes and backs him up! Jacob Rees-Mogg has been criticised for saying it would have been "common sense" to flee the Grenfell Tower fire, ignoring fire brigade advice. Both should resign. Would you have stayed or left? Was the whole thing racist? Is it now being used as a political football? He apologised, why should he resign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Angry Ram said: Would you have stayed or left? Was the whole thing racist? Is it now being used as a political football? He apologised, why should he resign? I would have thought it was the fire brigades common sense he was questioning, afterall it was their advice to stay put, not something the residents took upon themselves. I think it's common sense to try and get out of a building that is on fire, just as the thousands who tried to escape the twin towers on 9/11 did. Should I resign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I would have thought it was the fire brigades common sense he was questioning, afterall it was their advice to stay put, not something the residents took upon themselves. I think it's common sense to try and get out of a building that is on fire, just as the thousands who tried to escape the twin towers on 9/11 did. Should I resign? You're not popular on here.. You should consider resignation. ? I would be looking to leave straight away from any burning building. Always cracks me up that hindsight holds everyone to account on these things. Staying put does actually make some sense. Fire doors, falling debris etc etc. However I would still get my family out asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: You're not popular on here.. You should consider resignation. ? I would be looking to leave straight away from any burning building. Always cracks me up that hindsight holds everyone to account on these things. Staying put does actually make some sense. Fire doors, falling debris etc etc. However I would still get my family out asap. Do you not think there will be many fellow posters attending my Brexit party then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Do you not think there will be many fellow posters attending my Brexit party then? Well, I hope it's not the only Brexit Party with not many supporters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Do you not think there will be many fellow posters attending my Brexit party then? I can think of 5 of us.. @SchtivePesley might come but will expect you to pay for everything. @Highgate might as well but nobody will have a scooby what he is on about. @McRamFan will bring the chips but might only send us a link of him with said chips on his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 12 hours ago, 1of4 said: As Parliament as not yet been dissolved and the election campaign as not officially started.The unscrupulous tory party are already scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The have already been spreading fake news, after they posted an interview of Labour's Keir Starmer, that had been doctored to show him not answering a question about his party's brexit policy. A full copy of the interview shows him answering all the questions asked of him. Along with Downing Street refusing to release the report into Russia's influence on recent elections and referendums. One can only wonder what the conservatives don't want the pupil to see, before they go to the polling stations in December? Well we can see how the tories intend to conduct their election campaign. Start at the bottom of the morality and honesty scale and stay there. I'm not a Labour supporter, I agree the Tories have twisted the interview and I'm glad people are flagging this up as B.S. Such a shame that I feel I can't vote for a socialist (dare I say communist) Labour leader who wants to borrow £250 billion to fund his nationalisation plans and other crazy spending projects, without explaining how this will be funded. The guy reminds me of when I tried to pitch loads of ideas when I was a student councillor, the head would come back and say "How would you fund this?"..... silence. The choice between a sleazy Tory or a bloke who has an extremely expensive Christmas list of wishes, the joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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