Andicis Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cjay said: As i said, small point, just wish people would atleast get there facts straight in the media. The straight facts are that your manager admits to spying on 23 clubs to gain an advantage. Stop quibbling over minor details and skipping over that larger, much more important fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Please don't keep responding to Cjay. He will then disappear back to his humdrum life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, David said: That Chris Powell story is great ? I’m sure Leeds fans will scoff and mumble something something genius but, it’s pretty funny to see other managers call it basic stuff. No manager is going to come out and say "yep i dont do that" are they to be fair. Fact remains managers like Pep and Conte have traveled thousands of miles to watch the sort of thing we saw yesterday. Is analysis revolutionary anymore, no, but Bielsa is famous for his attention to detail and the way he sees the game, Pep described him as "the man who knows the most about football" after there first meeting. Was anyone really expecting a host of managers to come out and say "Wow thats amazing, wish we all did that". They were all going to claim they did, most will to a degree, but very very few will do it to that degree, especially outside of the top 4 or 5 imo. If the stuff Bielsa did was so common then world class managers wouldnt travel half way across the world to watch his stuff imo. Bielsa and his analysis and the way he does things influence the best managers in the world right now, thats not a secret or a hyperbole, its a fact. I think he is great ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, KCG said: Please don't keep responding to Cjay. He will then disappear back to his humdrum life. I usually will just disappear, but i may stick about just to annoy you specifically ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Andicis said: The straight facts are that your manager admits to spying on 23 clubs to gain an advantage. Stop quibbling over minor details and skipping over that larger, much more important fact. Least he was honest, didnt have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cjay said: No manager is going to come out and say "yep i dont do that" are they to be fair. Fact remains managers like Pep and Conte have traveled thousands of miles to watch the sort of thing we saw yesterday. Is analysis revolutionary anymore, no, but Bielsa is famous for his attention to detail and the way he sees the game, Pep described him as "the man who knows the most about football" after there first meeting. Was anyone really expecting a host of managers to come out and say "Wow thats amazing, wish we all did that". They were all going to claim they did, most will to a degree, but very very few will do it to that degree, especially outside of the top 4 or 5 imo. If the stuff Bielsa did was so common then world class managers wouldnt travel half way across the world to watch his stuff imo. Bielsa and his analysis and the way he does things influence the best managers in the world right now, thats not a secret or a hyperbole, its a fact. I think he is great ? I'm sure Bielsa is great, but this is the first thing to irritate me from all of this nonsense. You don't know how much prep every other manager does. Therefore you don't know how much less, or more, work any individual manager puts in than Bielsa. Bielsa being "famous" for his attention to detail simply means that he talks about, which he does. I've seen tons of interviews with players of tons of clubs, talking about their manager, who acclaim their boss's "attention to detail". Also, every club also has groups of staff who spend their whole days in a room watching games of the opposition, collating detailed reports etc. I'm not saying Bielsa definitely doesn't put in more work than anyone else, cos (amazingly) I don't ducking know - but the idea that that (really basic) presentation is proof that no-one else puts in the same amount of work is objectively absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Didn't rowett mention how much time he spends analysing, didn't Clement hire a whole team of analysts? I remember Billy Davies interviews about his attention to detail and video editing suite. El Diko might have something as a manager (he's currently making Leeds not rubbish for God's sake) , but his stunt yesterday was just a stunt, Leeds fans lapped it up, people in game rolled their eyes, whether the spying is a bit naughty or not depends on your point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Ambitious said: Also, it slipped me by last night, but Bielsa analysed all 51 games we played last season at 4 hours a piece? Bielsa got his staff to watch and analyse 204 hours of Gary Rowett's Derby County team. I seriously cannot think of a bigger waste of time than that, seriously, it's a completely different side! I also think Leeds should honour the men that had to do that arduous task, I can only imagine their mental state now. No wonder they hide in bushes with a pair of pliers. They need counselling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 What’s this Bielsa mush won btw? Can’t be arsed looking it up. Is it trophies or just a band of like minded voyeurs and bomchoms? Anyway, if you think he’s meticulous you should see me and the money saving expert shave pounds off my utility bills. Analysis at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: I'm sure Bielsa is great, but this is the first thing to irritate me from all of this nonsense. You don't know how much prep every other manager does. Therefore you don't know how much less, or more, work any individual manager puts in than Bielsa. Bielsa being "famous" for his attention to detail simply means that he talks about, which he does. I've seen tons of interviews with players of tons of clubs, talking about their manager, who acclaim their boss's "attention to detail". Also, every club also has groups of staff who spend their whole days in a room watching games of the opposition, collating detailed reports etc. I'm not saying Bielsa definitely doesn't put in more work than anyone else, cos (amazingly) I don't ducking know - but the idea that that (really basic) presentation is proof that no-one else puts in the same amount of work is objectively absurd. I didnt say that. Just pointing out its very easy for managers to claim things and people taking that as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Bielsas preparations for the FA Cup 4th round opponents are thorough...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, Cjay said: “The police came on the training pitch, disruption number one" That is Frank a few days ago. So Frank talks about honesty and flat out lies according to the police. As i said, small point, just wish people would atleast get there facts straight in the media. When did lampard state they entered the training ground? All he said as far as i know is that police attended the training ground which are the words the police used themselves. Derby would be aware there was an incident which caused them to stop training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Paul71 said: When did lampard state they entered the training ground? All he said as far as i know is that police attended the training ground which are the words the police used themselves. Derby would be aware there was an incident which caused them to stop training. Why encourage him to respond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, KCG said: Why encourage him to respond? True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Paul71 said: When did lampard state they entered the training ground? All he said as far as i know is that police attended the training ground which are the words the police used themselves. Derby would be aware there was an incident which caused them to stop training. Pre game, sky interview i think, been quoted in quite a few media sources. Anyway i wont respond anymore, i know when I'm not welcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cjay said: Pre game, sky interview i think, been quoted in quite a few media sources. Anyway i wont respond anymore, i know when I'm not welcome? I think it came from a daily mirror article on the day it broke. Never read anything or heard lampard say they did. It's not a case of being welcome or not, stating ad fact someone is a liar is the issue, unless you can prove it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 You can tell the dirty lids fans aren't bothered by any of this by the way they've totally ignored everything we've said and just got on with their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjay Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I think it came from a daily mirror article on the day it broke. Never read anything or heard lampard say they did. It's not a case of being welcome or not, stating ad fact someone is a liar is the issue, unless you can prove it of course. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcelo-bielsa-confirms-sent-leeds-13843995.amp Its in there, was apparently the Sky interview before the game. Mirror as you say but quoting his Sky interview. Could probably go and check by going on my tele and searching for it but its not that important, small point but does seem Frank has told a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Cjay said: Frank has told a lie. So what? Frank telling a fib is much less consequential than you cheating in every single league game you've played this season. And you'll justify it by saying ''well at least Bielsa admits we cheated!!'' when we all know he wouldn't have said anything if he wasn't caught. How anyone can defend or call this man a genius for this is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cjay said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcelo-bielsa-confirms-sent-leeds-13843995.amp Its in there, was apparently the Sky interview before the game. Mirror as you say but quoting his Sky interview. Could probably go and check by going on my tele and searching for it but its not that important, small point but does seem Frank has told a lie. Of course it's not possible he was misquoted. Still if it makes you feel better so be it. Im fairly sure most take the accuracy of publications like the mirror with a pinch of salt. If he said it fine. Maybe he did in the heat of the moment who knows. Probably fair enough discovering an opponent showing the disrespect they were. I have no issue with anyone saying bielsa did nothing wrong, what i find appallingly is people turning it round on lampard, quoting avb and laundry baskets with no proof he was involved in any of it. Its just deflection thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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