FindernRam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I'm not a Keogh hater by any means. I think he is our 2nd best CB behind Davies. But I do find the pass completion stat very misleading in 2 ways. A lot of his passes are across to his CB partner (always telegraphed by a shoulder drop) or back to Carson. Fairly easy to get a high completion there. Some of his failed passes are downright awful and given his position put us in trouble. His awareness of the opposition seems a bit suspect of late. Just hope its a blip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What did you think to Matt Le Tissier as a player? Always thought Alan Shearer was dreadful at Newcastle too... 13 minutes ago, FindernRam said: I'm not a Keogh hater by any means. I think he is our 2nd best CB behind Davies. But I do find the pass completion stat very misleading in 2 ways. A lot of his passes are across to his CB partner (always telegraphed by a shoulder drop) or back to Carson. Fairly easy to get a high completion there. Some of his failed passes are downright awful and given his position put us in trouble. His awareness of the opposition seems a bit suspect of late. Just hope its a blip It's not a perfect comparison - However I made it cos people were suggesting all his passes were bad and that he was only making risky passes - Actually his passing accuracy is much the same as last season so is he actually making more risky passes? I'd suggest he's making the same % of risky passes as last season - It's just last year he had 2 DMs to pass to when going forward - This year he has none cos Ledley keeps going up into the number 10 position... So he's having to try and play an even riskier pass if we're going to move forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What did you think to Matt Le Tissier as a player? 25 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What did you think to Matt Le Tissier as a player? brilliant exciting skilful should have played more for England than 8 full caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC27 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Leeds he did have to play long balls into Waghorn for majority of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, osmaston ram said: brilliant exciting skilful should have played more for England than 8 full caps. 16 years he was with Southampton and they won nothing in that time though, so using your theory on Keogh this must make him to blame surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 hours ago, cheron85 said: It was a joke buddy - Don't take it to heart ? However - A strong opinion should be backed up by something - Otherwise it's just "cos that's what I think" - That's not very compelling I don't understand - You're saying that we have the ball from a goal kick - Carson plays it out to Keogh - And if no easy pass is on then putting the ball out of play or hoofing it to our relatively small forward line should be his next step? Might as well beg Rowett to come back if we're going to do that Successful attacks are usually from people taking risks - You don't want your CB to be taking those risks - But if the team around him aren't getting themselves into simple positions he has to try a more complex pass - Which doesn't work 50% of the time If Keogh started hoofing the ball out of play/straight to the opposition in their half you'd be whining at him for doing that too I suspect - Yes, the passes he's been making have been poor - But football is a team game and there's plenty of responsibility to go round at the moment look he has been playing for Derby for four or five seasons now and to my opinion he has not improved in fact he has probably regressed,I reiterate my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 hours ago, 86 points said: Maybe we could get Franz in on loan then? even now he would leave Keogh in his wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Seaside Sam said: even now he would leave Keogh in his wake OK mate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: 16 years he was with Southampton and they won nothing in that time though, so using your theory on Keogh this must make him to blame surely? I knew what you meant.when you watched le tissier you were in anticipation of him doing someting brilliant/exciting.when you watch Keogh you are waiting for his next mistake.it's like comparing chalk to cheese,one was a skilful footballer one's a 3rd rate trier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, osmaston ram said: I never mentioned a certain word. It was implied because as i said its narrow minded Derby fans and would go only think of Keogh = Wembley failure. I don’t associate that with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, osmaston ram said: I knew what you meant.when you watched le tissier you were in anticipation of him doing someting brilliant/exciting.when you watch Keogh you are waiting for his next mistake.it's like comparing chalk to cheese,one was a skilful footballer one's a 3rd rate trier. Well I'm glad that you can see trying to put all of a clubs successes/failures at the feet of one player is stupid. Hopefully we can now move on from "Derby have failed for the last 6 years because of Keogh" and "we will never get promoted with Keogh in the team" type comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Seaside Sam said: look he has been playing for Derby for four or five seasons now and to my opinion he has not improved in fact he has probably regressed,I reiterate my opinion That's fine - But unless you can back it up with something then I'd suggest your opinion is just based on an irrational dislike of the guy Statistically Keogh had his second best season in a Derby short last season - High on tackles, low on fouls, decent number of clearances - He even made more Key Passes and got 5 assists! Interestingly I think @SouthernRam was saying earlier that he's not getting rid enough when no other options - Average number of long balls per game in his career is 4 and last season was 3 - This season already the average is 8 (in 2 games) - Indicates to me that the midfield aren't dropping into the right places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 don't need to back an opinion up with anything,my opinion he ain't any good and that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Seaside Sam said: don't need to back an opinion up with anything,my opinion he ain't any good and that's it Mate you have an opinion it’s just not PC enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Newleaf said: Mate you have an opinion it’s just not PC enough. oh dear never mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Newleaf said: Mate you have an opinion it’s just not PC enough. What's Paul Clement got to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Seaside Sam said: don't need to back an opinion up with anything,my opinion he ain't any good and that's it To be fair though it's a pretty pointless addition to the debate if you're not going to see why you think he ain't any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramchop Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 It's all about perception. If Fozzy had cleared the ball away at Wembley and we caught QPR on the counter, I'm sure Bucko would have got credited with our promotion. Single handed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Think it's all about 'supporting' the team really. You win and lose together and if we'd taken our chances on the day, nobody would be talking about Keogh. This endless rubbernecking back to that final is tedious as fook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: To be fair though it's a pretty pointless addition to the debate if you're not going to see why you think he ain't any good. it wasn't meant to be a debate ,my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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