Thierry Ennui Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Joe Ledley arrived after Derby conceded four goals to Bristol City in September. Since then Derby have played seven matches and conceded a total of four goals throughout, winning four and drawing three. Ledley played in all but one of these, the Birmingham draw. I honestly forget he's playing half the time. But his impact on this team absolutely can't be denied. We defend far, far better with him playing. Davies hasn't put a foot wrong since Ledley started playing, Keogh has been much more adventurous with his ball carrying and passing and is in the form of his life, Forsyth has regained his pre-injury imperiousness (what a beast) and Huddlestone has enjoyed less defensive responsibility. There's definite shades of Eustace during McClaren's first stint. Ledley is similarly unadventurous but does everything he does for the team, not a shred of ego on show. His selfless play allows the rest of the team to thrive. It's obvious why Wales were desperate for him to play at the World Cup despite his understandably questionable fitness. Get him signed immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Well it's safe to say that he has had more of an impact than butterfield ever would have had this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: Well it's safe to say that he has had more of an impact than butterfield ever would have had this season! Assuming you're a Rams fan, why do you feel it's necessary to ridicule one player whilst praising another - do you think it's clever? The swap of Winnall for Butterfield is so far proving more advantageous to us than the Wendies, why not just leave it at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Assuming you're a Rams fan, why do you feel it's necessary to ridicule one player whilst praising another - do you think it's clever? The swap of Winnall for Butterfield is so far proving more advantageous to us than the Wendies, why not just leave it at that? Where's the ridicule ? That's a fair comment to make I think a lot on here might agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Assuming you're a Rams fan, why do you feel it's necessary to ridicule one player whilst praising another - do you think it's clever? The swap of Winnall for Butterfield is so far proving more advantageous to us than the Wendies, why not just leave it at that? That wasn't the point i was trying to make, more to the idea that Butterfield was never going to be able to steady the ship the way that Ledley has. He clearly was not going to fit the system and his temporary departure as you say has proved more advantageous to us, not just because of Winnall but because of Ledley too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, King Kevin said: Where's the ridicule ? That's a fair comment to make I think a lot on here might agree with him. Agree. There's no ridicule there. Just a statement and probably a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 That contract needs extending ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: That wasn't the point i was trying to make, more to the idea that Butterfield was never going to be able to steady the ship the way that Ledley has. He clearly was not going to fit the system and his temporary departure as you say has proved more advantageous to us, not just because of Winnall but because of Ledley too. You could say as well, even though we all love him dearly Bryson wouldn’t have had the same impact on this team that Ledley has. GR made some big decisions in the transfer market and some are now coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Is probably fair to say Bryson (still miss you Brys) wouldn't have had the impact Ledley has had, but Bryson has had an impact at Cardiff. Hughes couldn't have had that impact, might have made a different one, but not the one Ledley is having. Ledley has been the player we needed. I wasn't fussed at first, but its clear he's bringing out a lot in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: You could say as well, even though we all love him dearly Bryson wouldn’t have had the same impact on this team that Ledley has. GR made some big decisions in the transfer market and some are now coming to fruition. I was just typing the same thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I was just typing the same thought! Great minds and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mr Giggles said: That wasn't the point i was trying to make, more to the idea that Butterfield was never going to be able to steady the ship the way that Ledley has. He clearly was not going to fit the system and his temporary departure as you say has proved more advantageous to us, not just because of Winnall but because of Ledley too. We had 3 first team central midfielders leave in the summer transfer window but you single out Butterfield, that is why it is construed as ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, rynny said: We had 3 first team central midfielders leave in the summer transfer window but you single out Butterfield, that is why it is construed as ridicule. Because he is the least effective for us out of the 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Ledley was the player we needed. I'd be very disappointed if we didn't extend his deal and went for the brummy lad again. Not only are his performances consistent ( Which is what have needed for a very long time in our team), but he seems to be a key personality in the changing room as well. And he has a quality beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 The number of goals conceded before him joining and after are a poor metric to use. Sheff Wed dominated us with 10 men, Norwich could have had 5 goals. Ledley and Huddlestone are a ticking time bomb. He doesn't have the legs, his passing lacks range. People used to mock Butterfield for side ways passing, this guys side ways passing is shocking by comparison. It's already taking it's toll on Huddlestone. We will be much better off once Thorne is starting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky1884 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hopefully he won't want to leave, hopefully the Club won't him to leave, Hopefully the fans won't want him to leave but why not leave this for a couple of months if we can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 He's been great for us so far. Keeps the game flowing, breaks it up where he can, he's good in the air and doesn't misplace many passes. With him being so solid, it allows our creative players to attack with more confidence that if they lose the ball they will be covered. I agree with the comparisons of Eustace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 51 minutes ago, jimbobram said: Because he is the least effective for us out of the 3 ? Why the need to single anyone out at all? Why does it have to be x player is doing well and y player is s***? It could be argued that in the 2 seasons that Butterfield has been here he has contributed the same amount of goals Bryson and Hughes combined, and only 1 less assist. Had a better pass % than Both players, made the same percentage of forward passes as Hughes and more than Bryson. Wouldn't Butterfield have contributed less overall as he has been here less? But because he cost more means he got less support from the fans. His treatment was and is still atrocious, and has been from his very first game. Even when he was playing well and scoring goals people were still taking a pop at him. And I find it sad that they still continue to do so. Same goes with the majority of players bought in the last 2 and a half years. Look at the list of players that have been called Blackman, Johnson, Vydra, Butterfield, Baird, Huddlestone, Ince etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Gets his hair (and beard) cut same place as me too, I vote to keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Gets his hair (and beard) cut same place as me too*, I vote to keep him around. What like, on his head and on his chin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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