Bris Vegas Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Arsenal clearly think they have enough out there to beat Forest. In fairness, they do. Walcott is rubbish though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Arsenal clearly think they have enough out there to beat Forest. In fairness, they do. Walcott is rubbish though. So is Iwobi - can't understand why he's had so many first team appearances. Arsenal have become the Harlem Globetrotters of the PL and their kids are following in the footsteps of the senior players. Loads of skill, plenty of pace but haven't a clue about playing a safe pass or defensive awareness. What on earth does Steve Bould do - he was the sort of defender they now need but there's no indication that he's passing on his experience. 2-1 Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 We would have murdered this Arsenal team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Second goal was a banger though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Arsenal clearly think they have enough out there to beat Forest. In fairness, they do. Walcott is rubbish though. They would if they had any defence. Brereton is tearing the statues a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 It’s about time Wenger got beat in the early rounds, he has managed to get away with playing very weakened sides for years now. Just annoyed it’s the Treetards that are going to benefit from his blasé approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: Second goal was a banger though. Good finish but a)**** clearance b)no closing down, statuesque defending (all half) c)keeper fell on his arse, would probably have saved it otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Rob Holding what a muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Fair play to the gumps - totally deserve the current 3-1 scoreline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 More joke defending. I do really like that Brereton lad though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Smith makes a mistake every time I see him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said: Laudrup already took Swansea into Europe, via winning the League Cup. Martinez took Wigan into Europe via winning the FA Cup. Why would Burnley finishing 7th be the 2nd biggest achievement in PL history? Actually playing with the ball, looking to attack teams and utilizing movement off the ball improves players. There is nothing easier in football than just sticking 11 men behind the ball and punting it long, playing off scraps and 2nd balls. Dyche bought players to play his way. It’s working for him and Burnley, so there is nothing to criticise. But lets not pretend it wasn’t his choice to play this way. He does it because it’s what he knows. He would be lost at a club who look to actually play attacking football and win trophies. So none of the managers you mentioned have got into Europe via the Premier League. Nothing easier than sticking 11 men behind the ball? There is. Buying all of the best players in the world is much easier. 'Dyche may be lost at a team who looks to play attacking football' may be a true statement but no more valid than Guardiola would be lost at a team with a record transfer fee of £15m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So none of the managers you mentioned have got into Europe via the Premier League. Nothing easier than sticking 11 men behind the ball? There is. Buying all of the best players in the world is much easier. 'Dyche may be lost at a team who looks to play attacking football' may be a true statement but no more valid than Guardiola would be lost at a team with a record transfer fee of £15m. Brendan Rodgers finished second It is easier to stick men behind the ball than spend money well; hence Cardiff being in the play-offs and Boro outside them despite such a disparity in funds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, cannable said: Brendan Rodgers finished second It is easier to stick men behind the ball than spend money well; hence Cardiff being in the play-offs and Boro outside them despite such a disparity in funds I'm pretty sure Bris was referencing Rodgers at Swansea rather than at Liverpool. Its easier to spend money than play defensively hence the richest clubs having the top spots in the Premier League and the poorer teams being at the bottom. Pretty much the same as the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: I'm pretty sure Bris was referencing Rodgers at Swansea rather than at Liverpool. Its easier to spend money than play defensively hence the richest clubs having the top spots in the Premier League and the poorer teams being at the bottom. Pretty much the same as the Championship. But it goes to show that if you have that style of play, and then take that same style to a place with a slightly higher quality of player, you can do well. Smashed it in Scotland as well. I think bris’s point is that dyche has a style of play, and would be unlikely to change that if he went to a bigger club with a bigger budget. Whereas Rodgers had a style of play which meant he was given that chance at a bigger club with a bigger budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: But it goes to show that if you have that style of play, and then take that same style to a place with a slightly higher quality of player, you can do well. Smashed it in Scotland as well. I think bris’s point is that dyche has a style of play, and would be unlikely to change that if he went to a bigger club with a bigger budget. Whereas Rodgers had a style of play which meant he was given that chance at a bigger club with a bigger budget. Double edged sword really. Like you say, he will never get a big job based on his style of football. How many young British managers who play good football have been given the chance at big clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: So none of the managers you mentioned have got into Europe via the Premier League. Nothing easier than sticking 11 men behind the ball? There is. Buying all of the best players in the world is much easier. 'Dyche may be lost at a team who looks to play attacking football' may be a true statement but no more valid than Guardiola would be lost at a team with a record transfer fee of £15m. David Moyes got into Europe via the Premier League. Remind me how well he did at Man Utd and whether they set up any different to how Everton played... Guardiola would without doubt improve players at any club he manages. Can the same be said of Dyche? No, it can’t. Dyche deserves great credit for the work he has done at Burnley. They are excellent defensively, with that deep compact block. But that sort of football would never suit a top team who need to consistently win games to win trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: David Moyes got into Europe via the Premier League. Remind me how well he did at Man Utd and whether they set up any different to how Everton played... Guardiola would without doubt improve players at any club he manages. Can the same be said of Dyche? No, it can’t. Dyche deserves great credit for the work he has done at Burnley. They are excellent defensively, with that deep compact block. But that sort of football would never suit a top team who need to consistently win games to win trophies. You never mentioned Moyes. He took over an absolutely awful United team but granted what he did was poor. Guardiola would undoubtedly improve players is a substanceless comment I'm afraid, as is the one that Dyche wouldn't. Which players have got worse under Dyche? Lets not forget that he has a team playing Hendrick every week and what did you think of him? You're right that Dyche’s style would not suit a top team, just the same as Guardiolas style of footballing teams to death would not suit the Burnley team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: You never mentioned Moyes. He took over an absolutely awful United team but granted what he did was poor. Guardiola would undoubtedly improve players is a substanceless comment I'm afraid, as is the one that Dyche wouldn't. Which players have got worse under Dyche? Lets not forget that he has a team playing Hendrick every week and what did you think of him? You're right that Dyche’s style would not suit a top team, just the same as Guardiolas style of footballing teams to death would not suit the Burnley team. Guardiola wouldn’t suit the current Burnley team, you’re right. He would never purchase such players. Dyche on the other hand. His very first season in charge there he brought in the likes of Ashley Barnes, Scott Artfield and David Jones. Players designed to fit in with the style of play he coaches. Do yoy honestly think if Wenger left Arsenal they would consider Dyche? Do you think they would recognise Dyche as the man to get the best out of Ozil, Sanchez, Xhaka, Wilshere, Lacazette etc. Of course they wouldn’t. Dyche only uses his midfield at Burnley to create a block in the middle of the park and pick up second balls in the final third. Whereas Guardiola evidently improves players, even those who you wouldn’t consider good enough for the likes of Barca and Bayern, there is no proof Dyche or a Sam Allardyce could get the best out of a Leroy Sane or Mesut Ozil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Guardiola wouldn’t suit the current Burnley team, you’re right. He would never purchase such players. Dyche on the other hand. His very first season in charge there he brought in the likes of Ashley Barnes, Scott Artfield and David Jones. Players designed to fit in with the style of play he coaches. Do yoy honestly think if Wenger left Arsenal they would consider Dyche? Do you think they would recognise Dyche as the man to get the best out of Ozil, Sanchez, Xhaka, Wilshere, Lacazette etc. Of course they wouldn’t. Dyche only uses his midfield at Burnley to create a block in the middle of the park and pick up second balls in the final third. Whereas Guardiola evidently improves players, even those who you wouldn’t consider good enough for the likes of Barca and Bayern, there is no proof Dyche or a Sam Allardyce could get the best out of a Leroy Sane or Mesut Ozil. I hope he wouldn't buy them sort of players for £50m. Interested to know what players you think Dyche should have bought with his budget? There's no proof that Guardiola would get the best out of players costing under £20m... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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