RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 In the past 3 seasons we have been accused of over spending on average players. This year under Rowett we seem to be looking for diamonds in the rough and plucking decent players for either free or minimal fee's. George Boyd, Curtis Davies & Andre Wisdom all for under £2.5m would be stupidly good business. All of those players would walk into any championship team. If you were Gary Rowett, who would you sell and who would you bring in? Please put values of the players by the side of your options, see if you can bring in some serious talent and still balance the books. Didn't know whether to put this in transfer talk or Rams Talk - Please sort out if need mate @rynny Mine would be this - Sell - Bryson - £1.5m - Any lower league championship club, maybe Burton. Christie - £2m - Sheffield United or Sunderland Keogh - £5m - Sheffield Wednesday Camara - £1m - Any french club that comes in for him. Butterfield - £2.5m - Maybe back to Barnsley for him. Pearce - £1m - Bristol City Ins - Wisdom - £2m Davies - £500K Ledley - £0 Boyd - £0 Flint - £5m OR Hanley - £5m I couldn't decide between Flint or Hanley. If we sell Keogh I feel we will need another CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sell (£19.9m) - Christie - £2m Keogh - £5m Pearce - £700K Bryson - £1.5m Butterfield - £3m Camara - £1m Russell - £2.5m Blackman - £1.5m Weimann - £2.2m Bent - £500K Ins (£7.5m) - Wisdom - £2m Davies - £500K Manga - £0 Ledley - £0 Boyd - £0 Lawrence - £1m Sako - £2.5m Watkins - £1.5m 12.4m profit there. Would leave us with a 22 man squad with Roos, Rawson, Lowe etc as youth backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 @DCFC1388 - Good post mate. However I think Sako & Watkins would be around £5m & £4m respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: @DCFC1388 - Good post mate. However I think Sako & Watkins would be around £5m & £4m respectively. Cant see anyone paying 4m for Watkins, if that was the case you would assume we could get a similar price for Russell + Weimann. Sako now has 1 year left on his deal and Palace previously quoted 4m But even at your prices that would be over £7m profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, DCFC1388 said: Cant see anyone paying 4m for Watkins, if that was the case you would assume we could get a similar price for Russell + Weimann. Sako now has 1 year left on his deal and Palace previously quoted 4m Fair enough. Would happily pay anything around them prices for them 2 players. The only problem is going to be getting them players out of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: In the past 3 seasons we have been accused of over spending on average players. This year under Rowett we seem to be looking for diamonds in the rough and plucking decent players for either free or minimal fee's. George Boyd, Curtis Davies & Andre Wisdom all for under £2.5m would be stupidly good business. All of those players would walk into any championship team. If you were Gary Rowett, who would you sell and who would you bring in? Please put values of the players by the side of your options, see if you can bring in some serious talent and still balance the books. Didn't know whether to put this in transfer talk or Rams Talk - Please sort out if need mate @rynny Mine would be this - Sell - Bryson - £1.5m - Any lower league championship club, maybe Burton. Christie - £2m - Sheffield United or Sunderland Keogh - £5m - Sheffield Wednesday Camara - £1m - Any french club that comes in for him. Butterfield - £2.5m - Maybe back to Barnsley for him. Pearce - £1m - Bristol City Ins - Wisdom - £2m Davies - £500K Ledley - £0 Boyd - £0 Flint - £5m OR Hanley - £5m I couldn't decide between Flint or Hanley. If we sell Keogh I feel we will need another CB. What's the point of selling Keogh for £5m then buying inferior replacements (Flint or Hanley) for a similar fee. Those 2 are nowhere near as good as RK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: In the past 3 seasons we have been accused of over spending on average players. This year under Rowett we seem to be looking for diamonds in the rough and plucking decent players for either free or minimal fee's. George Boyd, Curtis Davies & Andre Wisdom all for under £2.5m would be stupidly good business. All of those players would walk into any championship team. If you were Gary Rowett, who would you sell and who would you bring in? Please put values of the players by the side of your options, see if you can bring in some serious talent and still balance the books. Didn't know whether to put this in transfer talk or Rams Talk - Please sort out if need mate @rynny Mine would be this - Sell - Bryson - £1.5m - Any lower league championship club, maybe Burton. Christie - £2m - Sheffield United or Sunderland Keogh - £5m - Sheffield Wednesday Camara - £1m - Any french club that comes in for him. Butterfield - £2.5m - Maybe back to Barnsley for him. Pearce - £1m - Bristol City Ins - Wisdom - £2m Davies - £500K Ledley - £0 Boyd - £0 Flint - £5m OR Hanley - £5m I couldn't decide between Flint or Hanley. If we sell Keogh I feel we will need another CB. If we sell Keogh to a championship rival and buy a donkey like flint or hanley for the same fee I'll despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Wolfie20 said: What's the point of selling Keogh for £5m then buying inferior replacements (Flint or Hanley) for a similar fee. Those 2 are nowhere near as good as RK. Well that's a matter of opinion... Flint isn't as good at the moment but has the potential and age to improve. Hanley you could argue is the same level as Keogh and is younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Perfect summer would be bringing in Messi, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Aubameyang on free transfers, selling Russell and Blackman for £50m each, £90m for Ince, and £150m for Camara. I would keep Keogh just to bust the myth that we would never be promoted with Keogh in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, David said: Perfect summer would be bringing in Messi, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Aubameyang on free transfers, selling Russell and Blackman for £50m each, £90m for Ince, and £150m for Camara. I would keep Keogh just to bust the myth that we would never be promoted with Keogh in the team. Always the witty one aren't you David... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: Always the witty one aren't you David... Well that would be my "perfect" summer transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, David said: Well that would be my "perfect" summer transfer window So I should have put "realistic" in the title yeah? Forgot you don't have any common sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Also, based on my team...not including youth players like Roos, Lowe, Rawson etc but including Davies as he has signed the current average age at the start of the season now is 28.2. After the transfers I suggested the average age would be 27.8, so a slight decrease in average age, a decent profit, more physicality, more quality and a fresh look to the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 My ideal window would be to get our targets in before pre-season so that Rowett has the whole of Pre-season to shape the squad. And not having to wait for players to leave before we buy. There is no sense starting the season with players in the team who know they aren't in the plans (Martin last season for example). Or buying players last day of the window and spending a month trying to integrate them into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 50 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: In the past 3 seasons we have been accused of over spending on average players. This year under Rowett we seem to be looking for diamonds in the rough and plucking decent players for either free or minimal fee's. George Boyd, Curtis Davies & Andre Wisdom all for under £2.5m would be stupidly good business. All of those players would walk into any championship team. If you were Gary Rowett, who would you sell and who would you bring in? Please put values of the players by the side of your options, see if you can bring in some serious talent and still balance the books. Sell - Bryson - £1.5m - Any lower league championship club, maybe Burton. Christie - £2m - Sheffield United or Sunderland Keogh - £5m - Sheffield Wednesday Camara - £1m - Any french club that comes in for him. Butterfield - £2.5m - Maybe back to Barnsley for him. Pearce - £1m - Bristol City Ins - Wisdom - £2m Davies - £500K Ledley - £0 Boyd - £0 Flint - £5m OR Hanley - £5m I couldn't decide between Flint or Hanley. If we sell Keogh I feel we will need another CB. Why would we pay £5 million for Aden Flint or Grant Hanley and sell players who have been first team regulars for us as a top 10 side for a fraction of the price? We have to use the market to our advantage too. While it's true we don't have many players who will command large transfer fees, we can't just give these players away. If we sell Keogh for £5 million and pay £5 million for Flint or Hanley and sign all of those players you listed, I don't think those accusations of poor transfer business will go away. For starters, we already have a very high wage bill with many players earning in excess of £20,000 a week. It seems counter-intuitive to sign the likes of Ledley and Boyd, who will be coming from Premier League clubs on Premier League-level wages. I also suspect if we are going to sell Keogh, it'll be so we can invest that money in other areas of the team. We are not going to sell Keogh and then buy a lesser replacement for the same price. Again, it seems counter-intuitive. Curtis Davies is an excellent first signing - he is an upgrade on Pearce and Shackell and will bring experience, leadership and nous. But that type of signing shouldn't be the norm. It isn't going to help us to trim the wage bill or balance the books. There is a ceiling for these types of players too because they have peaked. Boyd and Ledley would surely help us in getting out of the division but beyond that, where can they take us? Curtis Davies and David Nugent are excellent additions but you can't fill an entire squad with players of that type. You need more of a balance. This would be far from the perfect transfer window. Such business would create more problems than they solve. I will add my ideas later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, RamsPolls said: Forgot you don't have any common sense... Come on Rams Polls, this is the Internet, common sense does not apply here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 @Jourdan - I get what you're saying. But who's saying that Keogh is better than Flint or Hanley? What has Keogh done in the past 2/3 seasons that puts him in the bracket above them 2? They've played in the same league for the past 2 years. Hanley was specifically identified by Newcastle to be apart of their promotion winning team to take them back to the premier league. Why would they buy a player, one that you're saying isn't better than a player who has finished top 10, to get them into the premier league? If he's not as good as Keogh then Newcastle wouldn't have wanted him. Flint I can understand as he is playing for a smaller club. But he has the potential to be a very good defender in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 In - Hanley (perm), Wisdom (perm), Afobe (perm), Sacko (perm), Boyd (perm), Flanagan (loan), Lookman (loan). Out - Keogh, Russell, Camara, Blackman, Martin, Christie, Butterfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Carson, Christie, Keogh, Davies, Forsyth (if not dead), Thorne (if not dead), Hughes, New, Ince, New, New. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, David said: Come on Rams Polls, this is the Internet, common sense does not apply here! As evidenced by Hanley/Flint in for Keogh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.