RadioactiveWaste Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Chris Mills said: Good luck Clement. Still believe we made a mistake letting him go. One to keep an eye on now! Without knowing the situation behind the scenes we'll never know, but he certainly has merit as a coach and I think he'd be a good fit at Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Let's look at the positives, he will be straight in to buy Blackman for £5million won't he ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 02:03, Kennington Ram said: Wonder if he will fancy any of our side? Could do worse than Shackell at the moment considering their recent results and Clement got good performances from him for the most part. Well he signed Blackman because he's worked with him before. Here's hoping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Bad move for him. he'd have been better waiting until the summer and winning another trophy as carlo's bag carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheJack Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! He didnt play the 'derby way' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, G-Ram said: He didnt play the 'derby way' That's what I said but they removed my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! For not playing Derby way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: For not playing Derby way. Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, bigbadbob said: Brilliant What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: What? I said BRILLIANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 10 hours ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! I used to live in Swansea and know a few Jacks Clement Pros: Intelligent Loves analytics Fits the continental style Swansea used to be known for. Clearly a good coach. Will hopefully have learned from his Derby mistakes. Clement con's: "Boring" possession based game Man management? Upset the squad somehow in the month before he was sacked. Didn't seem to have the I knack of really getting things turned round when the chips were down. Thought he was destined for better things, didn't bother going to championship matches or reaserching championship players Overall: I can see why Swansea are keen, he could still make it as a very good manager. However, the way his Derby side went from utterly controlled and competent to pure dog do in a month was baffling. There's no real known truth about what exactly he was sacked for, we were told"footballing reasons" but not "because we were bottom of the firm table, hadn't won in sand looked awful doing it" - fell out with owner Mel is as far as we can speculate. Generally believed has treated a bit badly, but his team was dull. I think, hand on heart, this is a mistake for Swansea and you should gave got Rowett, I'm not sure Clement can galvanize you for the coming relegation fight, but, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Forgot to add: Questions over his transfer dealings. Overpaid for players, agreed to us signing players on recommendation without seeing for himself, Only one we know was His choice was Nick blackman, who is a football god who Swansea should totally buy for £10m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I think Clement will do a really good job somewhere down the line in his career. His football might not have been balls to the wall excitement but a bit of functional football is probably what Swansea need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 11 hours ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! He is clearly a talented coach who is well respected. To you guys I don't think it should really matter why he was sacked, it happens to managers all the time for all sorts of reasons. To me, one of his legacies is converting our error ridden, diving in unnecessarily, often out of position captain into a good centre-half - he transformed his game. I think he will do well for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 11 hours ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! He's obviously a smart bloke but I still feel that he was never very bothered about being Derby manager - I think he just saw us as a stepping stone to get to manage one of the 'big' clubs... He came in to what was a talented, attacking-based squad and made them play dreary, efficient 1-0 football... Which fell apart because we weren't creating enough chances... He seemed too interested in immediate success as a CV booster when everyone else at the club was talking about a 'long-term vision'... I would worry that he'd be the same with Swansea... However the major pro for you would be that his measure of success at Swansea would be keeping you up... So whether he cares about being your manager long term is less of an issue I guess if he keeps you up this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 2 hours ago, cheron85 said: He's obviously a smart bloke but I still feel that he was never very bothered about being Derby manager - I think he just saw us as a stepping stone to get to manage one of the 'big' clubs... He came in to what was a talented, attacking-based squad and made them play dreary, efficient 1-0 football... Which fell apart because we weren't creating enough chances... He seemed too interested in immediate success as a CV booster when everyone else at the club was talking about a 'long-term vision'... I would worry that he'd be the same with Swansea... However the major pro for you would be that his measure of success at Swansea would be keeping you up... So whether he cares about being your manager long term is less of an issue I guess if he keeps you up this season? Agreed with all of this. and to add, for me, he seems like capable assistant but doesn't have the personality to be the big boss. Same category as for example Sami Hyypiä. Has all the knowledge, but not the skill to lead the whole team. Credit for him at least trying. Clearly very ambitious being manager on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 no disrespect to Swansea, but I think Clement would see them as a stepping stone, as he did us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 46 minutes ago, mozza said: no disrespect to Swansea, but I think Clement would see them as a stepping stone, as he did us . I'm sure he will, although as Swansea are in the PL he might consider it closer to his true station.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 19 hours ago, BenTheJack said: Hi guys, swans fan here. What was the reason(s) you sacked clement? From what I've read a lot of you seen to like him which can't be a bad thing. Any more info on him would be very much appreciated! And good luck for the rest of the season, see you next season, or maybe not! We sacked him because he was going for broke with promotion. He wanted to get to the Premier League by hook or by crook and didn't care about the long term plan or the style we wanted to play. I know it all sounds a bit 'West Ham' but honestly, it was dour football and you just don't survive long term doing that. You might go up, you might stay up for a bit, but you'll come crashing down in time and you'll end up like Bolton or Wigan eventually. Mel Morris never wanted that for our club. We wanted to use more young players but Clement never watched the youngsters or took an interest in their development. He took a scattergun approach to buying players and so needed to spend a lot of money. The club just wasn't working as a functioning whole. Clement got us in the right position in the league but wasn't buying into the vision. When he'd used us as a stepping stone and he left, we'd have to start from the ground up again. Think of your own club in years gone by when you've had a style and a clear club strategy and how well you've been able to transition from manager to manager because there wasn't loads for a new manager to figure out. The strategy is put in front of them and they do the job and deliver it with their football knowledge and coaching expertise. Think about more recently being on your third manager this season and how ripping up and starting again has served you. No offence of course, I'm just demonstrating the kind of thing I mean about where we would have ended up if we had pissed about on the managerial merry-go-round. McClaren has returned because he kickstarted the revolution at our club that inspired us to actually get a plan and a vision together. "The Derby Way" is more or less "The McClaren Way", but when McClaren goes, at least we'll be able to tell the next guy "follow on from that and continue with the plan". You need to stay up at the moment. Clement may well do that. He may well then **** off and leave you to find another mercenary like Nigel Pearson who'll want to rip it all up and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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