Will Hughes or Mesut Ozil?

[JoeDerby]

Song suggestion for Hughesy -

Hughesy Hughesy, give me your answer do, I'm half crazy all for the love are you.

Always embarrassing the forest, you are own little Borris.

And you look sweet in Derby Shirt, firing us to the Prem.

 

 

 

[RamLad1884]

Playing the devil here but what he did at the weekend is everything wrong with Hughes. Some days he's so brilliant that he could walk into most premier league teams, others he needed to be benched. He's clearly the most talented thing to come from the academy for a long time/ever but if he could do it consistently he would be getting a very expensive move to the premier league 

[PodgeyRam]

On 08/11/2016 at 15:33, toddy said:

Hughes a very good championship player  - Ozil a world cup winner............

Some perspective required here.

Yes, but only one of them has scored against Blackburn! Ergo, Hughes is better than Ozil. The German can't even score against Blackburn, how good can he be?

[Ninos]

On 11/8/2016 at 16:45, RamLad1884 said:

Playing the devil here but what he did at the weekend is everything wrong with Hughes. Some days he's so brilliant that he could walk into most premier league teams, others he needed to be benched. He's clearly the most talented thing to come from the academy for a long time/ever but if he could do it consistently he would be getting a very expensive move to the premier league 

He's pretty consistent from what I see. The players around him certainly have not been. 

[Leicester Ram]

Always thought we should have done the tune of Hey Jude to Will Hughes.

[toddy]

38 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said:

Yes, but only one of them has scored against Blackburn! Ergo, Hughes is better than Ozil. The German can't even score against Blackburn, how good can he be?

Good enough to be a world cup winner.

Hughes is good and would fit into a couple of premier league sides- but not a top 6 club. He is to hit and miss and doesn't score enough goals.

[angieram]

21 hours ago, Leicester Ram said:

Always thought we should have done the tune of Hey Jude to Will Hughes.

Of course we should. How a player of his calibre only get a 'Hughesy' amazes me. It's an insult to his intelligence. 

[cannable]

I think he may be too subtle for some.

[brady1993]

21 hours ago, toddy said:

Good enough to be a world cup winner.

Hughes is good and would fit into a couple of premier league sides- but not a top 6 club. He is to hit and miss and doesn't score enough goals.

So by that yardstick does that mean that Iniesta isn't good enough ? After all he doesn't score many goals.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/9486/History/Andrs-Iniesta

[Howard Canitbé]

Hughes is the one with the blonde hair.

That's what we're talking about, right?

[toddy]

1 hour ago, brady1993 said:

So by that yardstick does that mean that Iniesta isn't good enough ? After all he doesn't score many goals.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/9486/History/Andrs-Iniesta

Now you talking realms of fantasy, comparing Hughes with  Iniesta.

[brady1993]

11 minutes ago, toddy said:

Now you talking realms of fantasy, comparing Hughes with  Iniesta.

You've missed my point. Your argument essentially amounts to that Hughes needs to score more goals to be considered a better player.  I pointing out the fallacy in your argument because Iniesta, who is probably the best central attacking midfielder in the world, rarely scores.

[toddy]

8 hours ago, brady1993 said:

You've missed my point. Your argument essentially amounts to that Hughes needs to score more goals to be considered a better player.  I pointing out the fallacy in your argument because Iniesta, who is probably the best central attacking midfielder in the world, rarely scores.

And that is why he does not need to score goals as part of his game.

Hughes is a million miles from Iniesta...............

[Ninos]

16 minutes ago, toddy said:

And that is why he does not need to score goals as part of his game.

Hughes is a million miles from Iniesta...............

No he isn't Toddy. You stick iniesta on Derby for the past few seasons and he'd fair no better. Don't underrate Hughes ... he's a superb footballer on a bad team with lousy managers. Imagine how he would do under Klopp or Guardiola with real quality players around him. 

[toddy]

8 minutes ago, Ninos said:

No he isn't Toddy. You stick iniesta on Derby for the past few seasons and he'd fair no better. Don't underrate Hughes ... he's a superb footballer on a bad team with lousy managers. Imagine how he would do under Klopp or Guardiola with real quality players around him. 

Not denying Hughes as a great footballer, but he is a million miles from comparing Hughes to Iniesta. He is at a championship club for a reason, why do you think nobody from a higher level has come in for him?

 

[Ninos]

12 minutes ago, toddy said:

Not denying Hughes as a great footballer, but he is a million miles from comparing Hughes to Iniesta. He is at a championship club for a reason, why do you think nobody from a higher level has come in for him?

 

At every home game we are in awe of some of the stuff he does. Scouts are there. Ill be actually shocked if we hold him this window. Top PL teams are not oblivious and he's not gone because of his injuries. The only redeeming thing about that Liverpool cup game was that he had a bad game in front of Klopp because he's exactly the player Klopp wants: a magical skilled attacking midfielder who runs the whole game presses and wins back balls - a player who cannot be dispossesed of the ball. Goals will come for him, he doesn't score at derby because there has been little to no creativity in our attack. And the players around him have pretty much zero vision. Look at Wolves the first two goals were alll him, the header the flick. 

[Bilbo]

Ninos, do you get wifi signal from the bush outside Will Hughes house or are you on a 4g dongle?

[Ninos]

17 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

Ninos, do you get wifi signal from the bush outside Will Hughes house or are you on a 4g dongle?

There are no bushes outside his house. They are in Florida and Texas.

[Ramchester]

21 years old, 140 odd appearances (would have been another 30 odd but for injuries last year), and the best academy product we've ever produced. 

Seems like Hughes is getting back in to his groove after last years injury. That takes enough time to recover from as a seasoned pro, but if his performance at Wolves is anything to go by, he won't be far off POTY for us and a key figure in our (hopeful) push for play-offs. 

And for those comparing him to Iniesta, I'm no Barca specialist, but on pure stats, Iniesta has scored 34 goals for them in nearly 15 seasons, but no one would deny the quality of him. Goals are not the benchmark of a successful midfielder, you might have freak seasons like Bryson's, but ultimately, it's the quality Will has on the ball, the time, the awareness of what's around him, the first touch, the assist like Saturday, which set him above the quality of anything we've seen at the iPro the past 10/12 years. 

If he doesn't play for England, and it may not be whilst he's with us, then something drastic would have had to happened to him. 

If we don't get promoted/play-off's this year then I would not begrudge him a move up to the Prem. But there wouldn't be many sides outside of the top 6/8 I'd sell him to. United, Tottenham and Liverpool could do a lot worse, and playing under someone like Klopp might make that difference between very good and a different class. 

All that and he's still 21.

[Ninos]

1 hour ago, Ramchester said:

21 years old, 140 odd appearances (would have been another 30 odd but for injuries last year), and the best academy product we've ever produced. 

Seems like Hughes is getting back in to his groove after last years injury. That takes enough time to recover from as a seasoned pro, but if his performance at Wolves is anything to go by, he won't be far off POTY for us and a key figure in our (hopeful) push for play-offs. 

And for those comparing him to Iniesta, I'm no Barca specialist, but on pure stats, Iniesta has scored 34 goals for them in nearly 15 seasons, but no one would deny the quality of him. Goals are not the benchmark of a successful midfielder, you might have freak seasons like Bryson's, but ultimately, it's the quality Will has on the ball, the time, the awareness of what's around him, the first touch, the assist like Saturday, which set him above the quality of anything we've seen at the iPro the past 10/12 years. 

If he doesn't play for England, and it may not be whilst he's with us, then something drastic would have had to happened to him. 

If we don't get promoted/play-off's this year then I would not begrudge him a move up to the Prem. But there wouldn't be many sides outside of the top 6/8 I'd sell him to. United, Tottenham and Liverpool could do a lot worse, and playing under someone like Klopp might make that difference between very good and a different class. 

All that and he's still 21.

Agreed. Put iniesta on derby and he will do no better than Hughes. Put Hughes on Barca and I'd argue he'd do as well as iniesta. Hughes has never had great talent around him. That's the rub.