Curtains Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Anon said: Pearson's Derby wouldn't have conceded 2 against Wolves in the second half. They would've conceded once in the first half and everyone would acknowledge that was effectively game over and three points to Wolves. Mel and Sams Derby lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 hour ago, curtains said: How would you describe the team as a whole then. Brilliant. Average Work in progress. I say slightly fragile at times but also can be very very good. McClaren has done a great job so far and long may it continue. Butterfield and Johnson have done well recently and Hughes also. The players seem revitalized and I did give them some stick under Pearson and Clement I feel like a hypocrite because I didn't want Mac back but Mel and Sam got it right by the looks of it by bringing him back although I have to point out they are responsible for manager appointments in the first place Humble pie from me. Work in progress pretty much sums it up, a lot more positive than fragile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, ramsbottom said: Work in progress pretty much sums it up, a lot more positive than fragile... Danger is with Keogh at the back it will always be work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 On 06/11/2016 at 09:51, curtains said: Battered Wolves 1st half but same old story 2nd half. Good result though by the way Why can't we easily see games out . Speaking objectively, the first half saw an improving Derby team outplaying a very average Wolves team who, to compound matters got it wrong tactically. If the Rams had taken their chances, the second half would have been different. After the half time interval it was inevitable to see a different game as Wolverhampton had to get better and Derby weren't quite good enough to nullify the response. A bit of good fortune sealed the win and should be another boost to confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 hours ago, curtains said: Danger is with Keogh at the back it will always be work in progress. Considering neither goal on Saturday was his fault and he showed good awareness to clear one of the line I'm failing to see your point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Ah! Back to the day when playing well and winning wasn't enough. But this time it comes directly off the back of playing ***** and losing. Which was ok apparently. I see there's a good slating or two of our top players Some Derby fans deserve Nigel Pearson. Bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Composure is one of the most difficult things to coach. For all Derby's hard work and commitment, we saw panic clearances, players going for the same ball, a goalkeeper flapping at crosses and running out of his goal and wingers losing possession rather than winning simple throws off defenders. I was relieved when Tom took the ball into the corner for the last minute If SM can install that pragmatism we will go far. I almost wonder whether Baird (sorry B4) might be worth playing behind Keogh and Pearce to give their talent as defenders more direction? This would also help fit Anya into Christie's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 23 minutes ago, Alpha said: Ah! Back to the day when playing well and winning wasn't enough. But this time it comes directly off the back of playing ***** and losing. Which was ok apparently. I see there's a good slating or two of our top players Some Derby fans deserve Nigel Pearson. Bring him back. Lets hope your still gloating at the end of the season . Keogh rules ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 hours ago, ramsbottom said: Considering neither goal on Saturday was his fault and he showed good awareness to clear one of the line I'm failing to see your point... Oh Keogh wasn't flailing around out of position trying to stop the cross coming in to which he failed for Wolves 2nd goal was he. He should have been in the ******* middle stopping the header for the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, curtains said: Still gloating though. Are you a gloater Curtains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Are you a gloater Curtains? No but there are a few McClaren I told you so experts out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: No but there are a few McClaren I told you so experts out there. I was thinking...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 50 minutes ago, curtains said: Lets hope your still gloating at the end of the season . Keogh rules ok. Well we won't be getting relegated now, so that's nice. Does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I understand what you mean by 'fragile Derby'. I prefer,better Derby or improving Derby or scoring Derby or trying,having a go Derby....putting in effort Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 16 hours ago, curtains said: Oh Keogh wasn't flailing around out of position trying to stop the cross coming in to which he failed for Wolves 2nd goal was he. He should have been in the ******* middle stopping the header for the goal. He followed his man from the corner, should he not have done that? Or maybe tell someone else to follow his man and leave their man and rearrange who everyone was marking whilst the ball is in play? Easy to say he should be in the middle but you need to offer what everyone should have done differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 16 hours ago, curtains said: Oh Keogh wasn't flailing around out of position trying to stop the cross coming in to which he failed for Wolves 2nd goal was he. He should have been in the ******* middle stopping the header for the goal. Man mark or mark fresh air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, rynny said: He followed his man from the corner, should he not have done that? Or maybe tell someone else to follow his man and leave their man and rearrange who everyone was marking whilst the ball is in play? Easy to say he should be in the middle but you need to offer what everyone should have done differently. Keogh is always in the wrong areas apart from 1 clearance off the line against Wolves . He's is the Captain he needs to organize Hanson and the rest of the defense https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/06/defending-england-dna-roy-hodgson-centre-backs-euro-2016 I'll applaud him when he gets it right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: He is always in the wrong areas apart from 1 clearance off the line against Wolves . I'll applaud him when he gets it right https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/06/defending-england-dna-roy-hodgson-centre-backs-euro-2016 So what should have happened then? You can say that he should not have been there, again his man that he was marking at the corner went short, but what should have happened? Who should have been covering Keogh's player? If he had left him the player turned ran in and scored you would be quick to say Keogh left his man. Or should he have sent Hanson over (as I have seen suggested by another poster) leaving his man free until Keogh can cover him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, rynny said: So what should have happened then? You can say that he should not have been there, again his man that he was marking at the corner went short, but what should have happened? Who should have been covering Keogh's player? If he had left him the player turned ran in and scored you would be quick to say Keogh left his man. Or should he have sent Hanson over (as I have seen suggested by another poster) leaving his man free until Keogh can cover him? He should have been organizing the defense simple. Hanson and Ince should have been dealing. Keogh didn't even stop the cross and he doesn't need to get sucked out wide all the time his primary job is as CB Read this or maybe Keogh should https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/06/defending-england-dna-roy-hodgson-centre-backs-euro-2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 24 minutes ago, curtains said: He should have been organizing the defense simple. Hanson and Ince should have been dealing. Keogh didn't even stop the cross and he doesn't need to get sucked out wide all the time his primary job is as CB Read this or maybe Keogh should https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/06/defending-england-dna-roy-hodgson-centre-backs-euro-2016 It was a quick short corner, and is that Ince that was on the half way line? What if Hanson was marking a player at the back post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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