G STAR RAM Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Option bLess because it's Forest but more for the unbeaten run. Also means there's less pressure and less outcry avoiding defeat to Forest. Just means the currently quiet moaners will stay quiet. But mainly because you get out of this league by not losing games. You get out of the league by accumulating more points than the other teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's astonishing that there are people who would accept fewer points just to avoid defeat against Forest.I simply don't understand.I am probably inviting derision here but I have something to say:It's just another game.What is it that you expect the players to do in a game against Forest that they wouldn't do in any other game? Try harder? Show more passion? Doesn't that suggest that they are not doing enough of these things in other matches? That's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's astonishing that there are people who would accept fewer points just to avoid defeat against Forest.I simply don't understand.I am probably inviting derision here but I have something to say:It's just another game.What is it that you expect the players to do in a game against Forest that they wouldn't do in any other game? Try harder? Show more passion? Doesn't that suggest that they are not doing enough of these things in other matches? That's just silly.1 loss in 16 is nothing to be sniffed at. The unbeaten run would yield more points due to the confidence boost in the long run. Losing to Forest would set a scene of disappointment to have lost the unbeaten run, and also to have let the fans down. If you think the players don't attach a little extra value to a game like that, you're wrong. It's a lot of pressure for starters, and losing it could be a big comedown.If you could guarantee me promotion, I'd happily take Forest doing the double over us. So it's not about that. Not bragging rights or anything like that. Just that it's a big game for a lot of fans. Losing that will be a blow to the players confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 While I'd love us never to lose again, unbeaten runs can sometimes have a negative affect as a team ends up trying not to lose rather than trying to win. Wins are far more important. The gumps aren't rivals for promotion so I'd rather take 6 points from the week and lose to them than the other options proferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 1 loss in 16 is nothing to be sniffed at. The unbeaten run would yield more points due to the confidence boost in the long run. Losing to Forest would set a scene of disappointment to have lost the unbeaten run, and also to have let the fans down. If you think the players don't attach a little extra value to a game like that, you're wrong. It's a lot of pressure for starters, and losing it could be a big comedown.If you could guarantee me promotion, I'd happily take Forest doing the double over us. So it's not about that. Not bragging rights or anything like that. Just that it's a big game for a lot of fans. Losing that will be a blow to the players confidence.Why do you assume everyone will immediately fall into a slough of despair? Teams lose games. Teams win games. Teams who lose games go on to win other games. Whisper it but a defeat can often have a massively positive effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I see that some of you can't understand why some would rather take the victory over the treetards rather than some of the other options and quite honestly if you can't understand why they feel that way it is pointless trying to explain it. This game means a hell of a lot more to some people than others and being logical does not come in to it for them. Ask a scouse Everton fan who he wants to see his team beat the most or a Manc Manchester city fan. The bigger picture seems to go out of the window for some just for these 2 games a season and that's fair enough in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Why do you assume everyone will immediately fall into a slough of despair? Teams lose games. Teams win games. Teams who lose games go on to win other games. Whisper it but a defeat can often have a massively positive effect.Of course they can, after all this current run started after our first loss to Leeds. But what positive effect could a loss possibly have after 8 wins in 10? (which would be the form if we went on the "a" scenario beating Rotherham and QPR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Under Clough it was about consolidation, ie. trying our best not to lose/sitting back for the pointUnder McClaren it was about domination, ie. relying (perhaps too much) on the fact that we could outscore most of the teams in the divisionUnder Clement it's all about control; I feel like we're in the position where a point is guaranteed and every game is just a matter of time before we find the winner. The ball is oursThat's the kind of football that streaks are built on and leagues are dominated, a la Chelsea, PSG, Madrid. As I posted in another thread, Clement's teams have lost only 16% of games in all competitions in over 6 and a half years (that's including a poor Blackburn side); he's got experience in maintaining this kind of form and I think we can go on a massive run here... ...I take all responsibility for our forthcoming loss to Rotheram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Under Clough it was about consolidation, ie. trying our best not to lose/sitting back for the pointUnder McClaren it was about domination, ie. relying (perhaps too much) on the fact that we could outscore most of the teams in the divisionUnder Clement it's all about control; I feel like we're in the position where a point is guaranteed and every game is just a matter of time before we find the winner. The ball is oursThat's the kind of football that streaks are built on and leagues are dominated, a la Chelsea, PSG, Madrid. As I posted in another thread, Clement's teams have lost only 16% of games in all competitions in over 6 and a half years (that's including a poor Blackburn side); he's got experience in maintaining this kind of form and I think we can go on a massive run here... ...I take all responsibility for our forthcoming loss to RotheramThanks Jupiter, did you follow him when he worked in Europa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Next 3 games are winnable. only half decent one out of them is QPR and as long as we play to our strengths then we will walk over them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Under Clough it was about consolidation, ie. trying our best not to lose/sitting back for the point Under McClaren it was about domination, ie. relying (perhaps too much) on the fact that we could outscore most of the teams in the division Under Clement it's all about control; I feel like we're in the position where a point is guaranteed and every game is just a matter of time before we find the winner. The ball is ours That's the kind of football that streaks are built on and leagues are dominated, a la Chelsea, PSG, Madrid. As I posted in another thread, Clement's teams have lost only 16% of games in all competitions in over 6 and a half years (that's including a poor Blackburn side); he's got experience in maintaining this kind of form and I think we can go on a massive run here... ...I take all responsibility for our forthcoming loss to Rotheram Under Clough it was about consolidation, ie. trying our best not to lose/sitting back for the point Under McClaren it was about domination, ie. relying (perhaps too much) on the fact that we could outscore most of the teams in the division Under Clement it's all about control; I feel like we're in the position where a point is guaranteed and every game is just a matter of time before we find the winner. The ball is ours That's the kind of football that streaks are built on and leagues are dominated, a la Chelsea, PSG, Madrid. As I posted in another thread, Clement's teams have lost only 16% of games in all competitions in over 6 and a half years (that's including a poor Blackburn side); he's got experience in maintaining this kind of form and I think we can go on a massive run here... ...I take all responsibility for our forthcoming loss to Rotheram We are on the same wavelength Jupiter. Out of this world post. I agree with everything in this post and you will be entirely responsible for any loss against Rotherham. Thanks Jupiter, did you follow him when he worked in Europa? Io, Io, it's off to work we go. Callisto and Gannymede? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Io you all a drink of the finest (Gany)mead if we lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Text me and I'll sort it out. Don't ring though, a Callisto expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 He may be cautious but in the game yesterday, for the first time in a long time there was a point where Forsyth crossed a ball from the by line and Christie was on the other end. One full back to another - both being given the licence to get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitlams1968 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clement is a great coach. If he feels the game can't be won he makes sure the game is not lost. An example of this was the other night at Blackburn with horrendous weather and tired players and Clement went for the point and an extension of the unbeaten run. I see the Rams losing aroud 6 or 7 games at the most under Clement and the players we have got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 While I'd love us never to lose again, unbeaten runs can sometimes have a negative affect as a team ends up trying not to lose rather than trying to win. Wins are far more important. The gumps aren't rivals for promotion so I'd rather take 6 points from the week and lose to them than the other options proferred.Agreeing with you here. It's a long season and losses are almost inevitable. It's all about the reaction after losing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Our form is good points wise and last two home games we have been far too good for the opposition. You have to make the most of the good runs, cos there's bound to be a wobble or two. Next three games are a good chance to keep it going and anything less than 7 points would be a disappointment. Qpr haven't fallen apart like I thought they might, so we need to watch them and the gumps no doubt will be up for it. But we should still get 7 points minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 3 pts against Rotherham will finish off a good month for October.Looking at November, its a bit tougher, QPR, Forest, Cardiff and Hull- like to win all.But realistically I reckon 8 pts we be OK, wins against QPR and Cardiff in our home games and a point against Forest and we really need to nick something at Hull!That would keep the momentum going and also keep the pressure on those around us......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 All 3 are winnable and beating those little red dogs means a hell of a lot, winning is all that matters in footie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 All 3 are winnable and beating those little red dogs means a hell of a lot, winning is all that matters in footieTotally agree, but in the real world we are not going to win every game [if only].................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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