IronRam 140.6 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Our style of play is currently ghastly and a little over engineered for this division/country. I think we are trying to play a continental possession based "chess-type" football.Won't work anywhere in the championship, it barely works in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Our style of play is currently ghastly and a little over engineered for this division/country. I think we are trying to play a continental possession based "chess-type" football.Won't work anywhere in the championship, it barely works in the PL. This is the point. It's the system, not the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Our style of play is currently ghastly and a little over engineered for this division/country. I think we are trying to play a continental possession based "chess-type" football.Won't work anywhere in the championship, it barely works in the PL. I agree, not sure if it's the players or the manager but it looks like we're playing with shackles on.For spells we let them go and look impressive but then seem to go back into our shell.Get them playing with freedom, trust them, they ARE good enough to tear this division apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I agree, not sure if it's the players or the manager but it looks like we're playing with shackles on.For spells we let them go and look impressive but then seem to go back into our shell.Get them playing with freedom, trust them, they ARE good enough to tear this division apart.My worry with this is that, history suggests that successful managers stick to their convictions, whereas a struggling manager will scramble around looking for solutions and hopefully luck will find one.I want Clement to have the confidence in his own skill as a manager to stick to a system, but to see 3 systems in a game, and a different system every start is not a optimistic thing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 My worry with this is that, history suggests that successful managers stick to their convictions, whereas a struggling manager will scramble around looking for solutions and hopefully luck will find one.I want Clement to have the confidence in his own skill as a manager to stick to a system, but to see 3 systems in a game, and a different system every start is not a optimistic thing for me.Fully agree, I even remember when the one before the last one seemingly lost trust in his players a little bit and reverted to survival football, I understand in a way why they do it, but I do wish they wouldn't.If you want your team to play incisive attacking one and two touch football and that's your style, then stick with it through good or bad,We've got to get plan a right, before we start thinking of plan b and c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronRam 140.6 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Funnily enough I think we should Just play that gung Ho stuff we did back end of last season, now Shackell is at the back and Keogh seems to have exercised his his demons, we'd probably not concede so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Funnily enough I think we should Just play that gung Ho stuff we did back end of last season, now Shackell is at the back and Keogh seems to have exercised his his demons, we'd probably not concede so many.Haven't got a lot to lose right now, so why not? And if it works, have the conviction to stick with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 we need 3 players and I would go all out to get a playerthat is direct and quick . The recruitment since Thorne has been poor in all honesty and hasn't come off, so far. I'm also quite sure clough wanted Thorne Before mcclaren got him in, I may be wrong though on that. Either way I can't blame clement because I honestly don't think he's signed a player he actually wants yet. He's needs to make the right calls in the transfer/loan market or it could be a season of failure again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Either sign a quality midfielder while we wait for Bryson, otherwise go back to Thorne and baird in the middle, and play an extra forward. Martin is overweight, and Ince just looks like hes not up for the fight at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayRam1 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Personally I would go all out for Antonio he is just what we need and obviously get a decent centre mid in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I haven't s clue about tactics or formations but...Our number 9 is getting hammered by them and getting nothing from us. The gap between him and the midfield looks huge. A few times today he held it up looking for Bryson or Hughes only to realise they're not playing... Hendrick and Ince need to start taking it off him and putting Johnny through, it's just not happening.That has been the most basic Derby goal for a few seasons.Sort it out lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Grips for salecome get your grips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Take the defeat out on me.I told you this would happen and I told you about Baird the journeyman I don't really come on here that often, so please don't take this the wrong way, but are you 9 years old or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't really come on here that often, so please don't take this the wrong way, but are you 9 years old or something?No but I do care about DCFC.Did you go today or watch it on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Amazing to think we finished 3rd in the Championship, were desperately unlucky not to get promoted to the Championship. Have spent about 20million in fees and wages improving the team, and we've actually got a worse first-team XI than that 2013/14 side.Big round of applause for our recruitment team. Blinding performance. hmmmmm We called for a change of manager, we got it. We called a better standard of signing with our new managers contacts. It didn't work. In fact we are worse now than when the changes were shoute or. Maybe that change wasn't for the better. The we I use is the we as a majority of fans (me included at times) I'm now thinking that could have been the wrong choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I agree, not sure if it's the players or the manager but it looks like we're playing with shackles on.For spells we let them go and look impressive but then seem to go back into our shell.Get them playing with freedom, trust them, they ARE good enough to tear this division apart.its the manager, it happened under SM and is continuing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 hmmmmm We called for a change of manager, we got it. We called a better standard of signing with our new managers contacts. It didn't work. In fact we are worse now than when the changes were shoute or. Maybe that change wasn't for the better. The we I use is the we as a majority of fans (me included at times) I'm now thinking that could have been the wrong choice. Sorry Dav, are you talking about the change from Mac to Clement, or from Clough to Mac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 No but I do care about DCFC.Did you go today or watch it on TV I watched it on tv. Presumably this invalidates any opinions I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Sorry Dav, are you talking about the change from Mac to Clement, or from Clough to Mac?either or. I know under Clough we appeared to be stagnating but there was some good football being played, we lost 4in 9 games and had 11 points. We had improved league position every year bar 1, and the majority of players in the starting 11 or peoples first choices are players from then. The new players haven't improved us. Today Fossy, Keogh, martin, Hendrick Russell all Clough signings or came through the ranks under Clough. Shackell was bought by Clough (then sold) and Hughes and Bryson to come in too. We had a very good nucleus of players that two managers have failed to improve (even the third place season had times like this season and last season was dire at times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie George Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 it isn't its buying the right players. Wiemann why Baird. why. spot on.Is Evans buying the right players ?Answer is no.Surely Evans is accountable for the dross he's signed.Who can forget the Albentosa fanfare and subsequent shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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