G STAR RAM Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Stoke got promoted the same year we got relegated.Since then they have survived got to play in Europe and knocked us out of the cup without breaking sweat.Watch them on TV they play football we can only dream about. They are about the same size town as us have no access to any more money than us.What they have is a good local set-up and a good manager,we have none of those,they deserve their success.We deserve what we get feck all. If you seriously think Stoke 'play football we can only dream about' I'm afraid your opinion on footballing matters won't hold much weight with many people. They may play in a division we can only dream of but their brand of football is not what I would aspire to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 They do have a good local set up. We have Americans. Why do Derby have Americans? We need to revert back to a good local set up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 A mate of my mentioned this kind of thing not long ago, and it struck a chord with me, although he was talking more about strategy than style. We were debating what - if any - is Derby's and Nigel's over-arching strategy, because we couldn't pinpoint it. So it's interesting to see other fans have been wondering the same thing. Stoke have a style, it's not pretty but they have a style. To be honest I think the overriding style is "if we work hard enough we should win" little else see,s to matter. Number 1 priority appears to be giving 100% all other attributes are irrelevant. I'd say that if there is a strategy, the above is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hugely depends on the oppo. If they sit off us and give our midfield and back 4 time on the ball then we'll knock it around and play some good stuff. We look to keep the ball. If we're pressed and under pressure passing goes out the window and we pump it long to hopeless, isolated strikers, meaning the ball comes straight back at us. Eventually leading to goals conceded. This is where we need players to grow some balls and stand up for themselves. We currently have none who can handle this type of play. Yesterday was a good example, failed to finish the game off and let Brum gather momentum. We couldn't handle them. Could of ended 5-1. Such a contrast to the first 45 where we looked comfortable and were rarely troubled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Stoke got promoted the same year we got relegated.Since then they have survived got to play in Europe and knocked us out of the cup without breaking sweat.Watch them on TV they play football we can only dream about. They are about the same size town as us have no access to any more money than us.What they have is a good local set-up and a good manager,we have none of those,they deserve their success.We deserve what we get feck all. Keep it real fella. "Stoke have no access to more money than us" - that statement completely ruins your post. Peter Crouch and Kenwynne Jones are both on £45k + per week. That's not far off our TOTAL wage bill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I agree. Stoke do have a lot more money. But then they're also in the PL and therefore have access to a lot more money than us. We don't help ourselves in Cup competitions. There was a very possible cup run in either the Capital One, or FA Cup, but we performed badly and were dumped out at home. As for Stokes, style of play, I'm not a fan. I don't think any neutral would choose to watch Stoke. But I bet their fans aren't moaning about it. It gets results. And if it were the same for us, I would be content. I don't care if my child is good looking, just that they're healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I agree. Stoke do have a lot more money. But then they're also in the PL and therefore have access to a lot more money than us. We don't help ourselves in Cup competitions. There was a very possible cup run in either the Capital One, or FA Cup, but we performed badly and were dumped out at home. As for Stokes, style of play, I'm not a fan. I don't think any neutral would choose to watch Stoke. But I bet their fans aren't moaning about it. It gets results. And if it were the same for us, I would be content. I don't care if my child is good looking, just that they're healthy. There is a fairly vocal "pulis out" group building up at Stoke atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yeah but that's because he's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodys woman Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yeah but that's because he's a ****. As are most stoke fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 As are most stoke fans!All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Stoke got promoted the same year we got relegated.Since then they have survived got to play in Europe and knocked us out of the cup without breaking sweat.Watch them on TV they play football we can only dream about. They are about the same size town as us have no access to any more money than us.What they have is a good local set-up and a good manager,we have none of those,they deserve their success.We deserve what we get feck all. An absolute corker, thanks for the lift You know the anti NC keyboard warriors (your not supporters) such as your good self just compound the fact that you know absolutely nothing about football and the direction in which we are travelling. You plant poison and then revel in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 An absolute corker, thanks for the lift You know the anti NC keyboard warriors (your not supporters) such as your good self just compound the fact that you know absolutely nothing about football and the direction in which we are travelling. You plant poison and then revel in it. Although I don't agree with Top 6's comments regarding Stoke, I am interested to now the "direction we are travelling" so far we're travelling very little direction in terms of results and also in terms of consistency and, what I believe to be a lack of a plan/system/style that the management believe in sufficiently to stick by. I'll qualify this with the example of a few seasons ago now. We played some really good stuff, we looked dangerous, we passed it well. W had one up top with three creative types behind. We then hit a sticky patch and it all got thrown out of the window in favour of two rows of four and "safe" football. We've never really gone back to it, we sometimes go 5 across the midfield, we still play a formation that requires wingers without having any proper wingers. If the management don't have a plan that they believe in, one that changes, then how are the players meant to gel into a system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 We play well but we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 An absolute corker, thanks for the lift You know the anti NC keyboard warriors (your not supporters) such as your good self just compound the fact that you know absolutely nothing about football and the direction in which we are travelling. You plant poison and then revel in it. Instead of throwing personal insults at him why dont you tell us which part of his post you disagree with? Or is it just that you can't face up to It? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Instead of throwing personal insults at him why dont you tell us which part of his post you disagree with? Or is it just that you can't face up to It? Made me wince a bit as well.I think that everyone should appreciate that each of the 3 camps probably express honestly held views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 i would rather watch our style of play than stokes but i would rather watch manchester united with the likes of robin van persie at pride park instead of peterborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChatsworthRam Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 We don't have a style, that's why so many players have been signed and then quickly discarded, take the number of wide players we have signed then decided we don't need. I think players are brought in because there available and without any real thought as to how they will be utilized or add to the current first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 We don't have a style, that's why so many players have been signed and then quickly discarded, take the number of wide players we have signed then decided we don't need. I think players are brought in because there available and without any real thought as to how they will be utilized or add to the current first team squad. Or because we can't afford to buy and/or pay wages for proven quality. It would be truly amazing if every signing had worked out brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weston-super Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Or because we can't afford to buy and/or pay wages for proven quality. It would be truly amazing if every signing had worked out brilliantly. Some have been signed though and hardly got a game to show what they could do which I find strange. Mcquire,Dickinson and Martin certainly spring to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Some have been signed though and hardly got a game to show what they could do which I find strange. Mcquire,Dickinson and Martin certainly spring to mind... Clough didn't sign Dickinson. But yes, your point is valid, we had to take a chance on cheap unproven players, some work, some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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