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Stevenage was awful but there is a difference between booing and absolute foul mouthed rage from some of our so called supporters.
I would argue that 14 games into the second season of a four year contract was not the right time to get rid and start again.
As you have pointed out this season is Warnes team with hopefully a full preseason and I believe he should be given a chance to mould this new group of players into a team.

It’s a good job some of us, and Mr Clowes in particular have a bit more patience then.

I take it you weren’t at the the Stevenage away game, what Warne had to endure was about as far away from civilised debate as you could get.

Stevenage was awful but there is a difference between booing and absolute foul mouthed rage from some of our so called supporters.
I would argue that 14 games into the second season of a four year contract was not the right time to get rid and start again.
As you have pointed out this season is Warnes team with hopefully a full preseason and I believe he should be given a chance to mould this new group of players into a team.

I take it you weren’t at the the Stevenage away game, what Warne had to endure was about as far away from civilised debate as you could get.

Stevenage was awful but there is a difference between booing and absolute foul mouthed rage from some of our so called supporters.
I would argue that 14 games into the second season of a four year contract was not the right time to get rid and start again.
As you have pointed out this season is Warnes team with hopefully a full preseason and I believe he should be given a chance to mould this new group of players into a team.

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

We could all have stayed in bed, including the players, and we would still have gone up automatically 😂

Think most of what you wrote was fair, sensible....
But, I totally disagree with this bit.
On the terraces there are more much extreme views expressed all the time. I'm quite liable to lean over and say to my mate 'oh ffs what the **** is abc doing today, he's been absolutely **** all game'.
Or...'why the **** is Warne not making any changes, any idiot see they are going to concede any minute' etc etc.
My mate may agree with my knowledgeable thinking... or say he thinks something totally different. 
The difference is that its left there. Its a brief moment. We both know its desire to see us win that's driving what we say. We move on. We feel better for a moan. On here, it just lingers, gets repeated...over and over at times, gets dissected, over analysed...  the devil makes work for idle hands.
 

Stevenage was awful but there is a difference between booing and absolute foul mouthed rage from some of our so called supporters.
I would argue that 14 games into the second season of a four year contract was not the right time to get rid and start again.
As you have pointed out this season is Warnes team with hopefully a full preseason and I believe he should be given a chance to mould this new group of players into a team.

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

Fair points both - I should clarify what sort of comments I'm referring to!
I don't mean the sort of general negative comments that you absolutely do hear a lot in the in the terraces and at the bar before the game. I'm definitely guilty of a groan to the person left or right of me!
I mean the sort of responses you seem to get on here now to reasonable comments/criticisms.
For example, if I'm sat on a supporters bus and I turn to the person next to me and say "I'm a bit worried about how we'll get on in the division above under Warne next season due to X, Y, Z..." I think it's pretty unlikely that that person will turn to me and say they think I'm a victim-blaming bullsh11er and to stop feeling oppressed. Nor are they likely to tell me to "go and sit somewhere else if you don't like it."
If I'm being honest it's the sort of thing that just ends up making me feel less inclined to come on this forum anymore. Which sucks because I live over 200 miles away from Derby so, for me, it's my primary outlet for this sort of stuff. But why bother if that's what the responses will be like now? 
I just think it's a shame. 

In Leeds ?

If someone cooks you a meal and you’re not sure wether you’ll like it or not, do you just throw it in the bin.

I heard somebody say something the other day that really made sense to me around this kind of stuff, we now live in an age when people try to force people to se them as they see themselves and if you don’t all the tags and accusations start flying , in the old days 😂 we would be more likely to think jeez I didn’t think people saw me that way and question ourselves and how we come across , this runs through so many issues today ,
on here for instance regards the club , manager players ect there are a very small number who do post constant negatives yet see themselves as died in the wool derby fans just giving opinion as they love the club so much ,,, with a very few that’s not what I see and every now and again I kick back and say what I see , doesn’t mean I’m right , it’s just what I see , people have the same right to see me as they see me and say as much , that’s not bullying it’s just being honest , we live in a world where it’s increasingly frowned on to be honest with each other 

I think it is more than fair to be wary, nervous, hopeful or even a bit gloomy. We are all different. I am hugely worried about recruitment, the power of the parachute clubs, the age of our better players, those players with poor injury records, the need for youngsters to come from the academy. The whole financial structure of the league. To me those are vastly more worrying than our managers actual ability to manage the players and pick a team. 
What grates is the ever ready pitchfork. The seeming desire to relish any difficulties and instantly point the finger at the nominated whipping boy. (and they know who that is before any problems have even surfaced) 

He will probably end up at Watford then, he should feel at home at their ground.😉

We could all have stayed in bed, including the players, and we would still have gone up automatically 😂

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

You didn’t have doubts, you wanted him sacked as you mentioned on numerous occasions.

Diverse opinions are fine but when views are so entrenched that despite everything nothing will ever change no matter what, isn't it rather pointless trying to have a discussion in those circumstances? 

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

You made your mind up early into the managers reign and nothing was going to change your opinion.
Lots of people had doubts when he was appointed, me included, it was the same when Jim Smith was appointed.
I didn’t voice my opinion, I preferred to wait and see how it played out.
Some had a very low opinion of him but have since changed their minds and have stated that, and that’s fine.
No one knows what this season will bring but we start with a clean slate and I am prepared to give the team and management my full support. You ?

You didn’t have doubts, you wanted him sacked as you mentioned on numerous occasions.