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£45m on the actual claim to put the poops up everyone
£7m what nice guy Stevie will take to bog off and shout endlessly about cheating for years in ranty statements and to journalists.
£0 what he's entitled to as he's not a creditor of an insolvent business.

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Absolutely. The whole tone of that EFL statement was 'see you in court'.
(With just a tiny hint of '...But let's drag the stadium and Morris and MSD into this, since that'll confuse casual onlookers from other clubs, and in any case that's who Gibbo really wants to feel pain')

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

You are joking, they were all at the end of their careers picking up wages no one else would pay and by the time we had finished were worth the square root of zero, most down to Harry Redknapp.
most just stayed getting splinters on the arses collecting the ludicrous pay they were receiving.
Took 2-3 years before we could even start to correcting the mess he left us in.

Off to Udinese on a free instead of Watford paying us compensation. Presumably end up back there within 6 months.
And we’re the problem?

I wonder how many clubs would have a claim against QPR, and for how much, if an EFL panel rules that we do in fact owe Middlesbrough cash and sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.
Us? For half the supposed premiership windfall? The team they beat in the semi-final? Do they get a quarter? What about the team who finished seventh? Any team that can "prove" QPR's results against them had an effect on them - ie how did the relegated and nearly-relegated teams do against QPR? 
Did QPR sign any players during that time that other clubs can prove they were pursuing? Have those players since been sold for a profit?
What kind of total bill are we looking at here?
Does the EFL specify some sort of time-limit on these claims in its rules? If not, why can't we pursue them now, or at whatever point we feel like it in the future?
How do we formalise how we quantify the points loss to the "affected" teams? Is a £1million overspend equivalent to one unearned league point, for example? And are we just going to make that up on the hoof at an EFL hearing, or shouldn't we actually agree it between the clubs first?
And do the points deductions get adjusted or is this some additional penalty on top of the one we thought we had all agreed?
It's an absolute mess. 

I wonder how many clubs would have a claim against QPR, and for how much, if an EFL panel rules that we do in fact owe Middlesbrough cash and sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.
Us? For half the supposed premiership windfall? The team they beat in the semi-final? Do they get a quarter? What about the team who finished seventh? Any team that can "prove" QPR's results against them had an effect on them - ie how did the relegated and nearly-relegated teams do against QPR? 
Did QPR sign any players during that time that other clubs can prove they were pursuing? Have those players since been sold for a profit?
What kind of total bill are we looking at here?
Does the EFL specify some sort of time-limit on these claims in its rules? If not, why can't we pursue them now, or at whatever point we feel like it in the future?
How do we formalise how we quantify the points loss to the "affected" teams? Is a £1million overspend equivalent to one unearned league point, for example? And are we just going to make that up on the hoof at an EFL hearing, or shouldn't we actually agree it between the clubs first?
And do the points deductions get adjusted or is this some additional penalty on top of the one we thought we had all agreed?
It's an absolute mess. 

I wonder how many clubs would have a claim against QPR, and for how much, if an EFL panel rules that we do in fact owe Middlesbrough cash and sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.
Us? For half the supposed premiership windfall? The team they beat in the semi-final? Do they get a quarter? What about the team who finished seventh? Any team that can "prove" QPR's results against them had an effect on them - ie how did the relegated and nearly-relegated teams do against QPR? 
Did QPR sign any players during that time that other clubs can prove they were pursuing? Have those players since been sold for a profit?
What kind of total bill are we looking at here?
Does the EFL specify some sort of time-limit on these claims in its rules? If not, why can't we pursue them now, or at whatever point we feel like it in the future?
How do we formalise how we quantify the points loss to the "affected" teams? Is a £1million overspend equivalent to one unearned league point, for example? And are we just going to make that up on the hoof at an EFL hearing, or shouldn't we actually agree it between the clubs first?
And do the points deductions get adjusted or is this some additional penalty on top of the one we thought we had all agreed?
It's an absolute mess. 

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

Someone on Twitter (I think) put it well: Morris was responsible for getting us into this terrible mess, but it is the EFL, Boro and Wycombe who are preventing us getting out of it. We've accepted our punishment and as far as the club is concerned, Morris has gone. The stadium is a separate issue really: he owns it, but needs to sell it for £20million in order to repay a loan he personally guaranteed.
Suggesting he has a place at talks is simply playing to Gibson's agenda. Gibson basically wants Morris to give him a share of the stadium sale proceeds and take a financial hit in repaying the loan. The EFL should absolutely not be encouraging or enabling this. It has nothing to do with the club, or what the club needs to do the exit administration. It's basically Gibson holding a gun to the club's head while demanding money from Morris ("You still love this club don't you, Mel? Well give me the money.")

They're different points. Agree, most of this is down to Morris's utter incompetence. You were suggesting handing over money to the two parasite clubs based on their ridiculous claims. I firmly believe we shouldn't. The claims are laughable to say the least. Paying these is an admission of guilt and sets a precedence for the whole of football. In effect hammering in the final nails in its coffin.

Whilst I agree with the underlying sentiment, in my view Boro (and Wycombe) should get nothing and be exposed as the leeches they are. Even though there is always a risk with any legal action, this is a matter I want Q now to take forward to the High Court and for their Counsel to fight like tigers to evidence that the claims are without merit and the EFL are not fit for purpose. 

But this is where I think they haven't come off the fence.
They have said the debts would be football debts. They have not said their claims are debts.

I guess they are saying that _if_ they are a debt _then_ they are a football-related debt, and therefore we would owe the money in full. So they won't let the administrators do what they would if this was any other type of business: simply reject the claims on their own authority. Legally we could do that, but we'd be kicked out of the league. 
The EFL are saying that we either settle the claim now or find a buyer willing to accept a ruling on whether we owe money, and how much, after a sale. 
It all seems a bit unfair. The reason administration law allows the administrators to compromise away speculative claims like this is because that's the only way real creditors get paid, and stricken businesses get sold. 
Feels like the only way forward is a ruling on the substantive issue, ie whether we owe these clubs anything and if so how much. Failing that I guess some sort of ruling on whether the EFL rules - requiring not just that _actual_ football debts are paid, but that 'potential' ones protected from normal administration processes - are excessively restrictive. But given that we are talking about membership of a club with its own rules, I'm not sure how we'd do that. 
 

I guess they are saying that _if_ they are a debt _then_ they are a football-related debt, and therefore we would owe the money in full. So they won't let the administrators do what they would if this was any other type of business: simply reject the claims on their own authority. Legally we could do that, but we'd be kicked out of the league. 
The EFL are saying that we either settle the claim now or find a buyer willing to accept a ruling on whether we owe money, and how much, after a sale. 
It all seems a bit unfair. The reason administration law allows the administrators to compromise away speculative claims like this is because that's the only way real creditors get paid, and stricken businesses get sold. 
Feels like the only way forward is a ruling on the substantive issue, ie whether we owe these clubs anything and if so how much. Failing that I guess some sort of ruling on whether the EFL rules - requiring not just that _actual_ football debts are paid, but that 'potential' ones protected from normal administration processes - are excessively restrictive. But given that we are talking about membership of a club with its own rules, I'm not sure how we'd do that. 
 

Absolutely. The whole tone of that EFL statement was 'see you in court'.
(With just a tiny hint of '...But let's drag the stadium and Morris and MSD into this, since that'll confuse casual onlookers from other clubs, and in any case that's who Gibbo really wants to feel pain')

Absolutely. The whole tone of that EFL statement was 'see you in court'.
(With just a tiny hint of '...But let's drag the stadium and Morris and MSD into this, since that'll confuse casual onlookers from other clubs, and in any case that's who Gibbo really wants to feel pain')