SaffyRam

Can't change the parameters of what you accepted and not expect an appeal on 2 crucial points .  They won't expect us to cause a stink as they'll anticipate we value getting the sale done .  That's why it's been timed at this juncture of proceeding's. Unfortunately for them, this time it is to an investors benefit rather than detriment to go at this.  Get an appeal in on grounds that we accepted an unwarranted charge for some of these points, based on process amendment.

Even if it hadn’t stopped us breaching, wouldn’t it have lessened the points deduction because that’s based on how much you go over the limit? I’m raging ? 

Announcing a rule change to make all clubs use the straight line Amortisation method.  Hang on a minute, how can that be a rule change if thats what we've been punished for.
I can see an instant appeal going in, 9 points back, plus damages for blocking Mels previous sales as Boro and Wycombe would of had no case.....
EFL really are thick as pig shiiiite....

Yes, because it makes us more likely to be relegated.

Even if it hadn’t stopped us breaching, wouldn’t it have lessened the points deduction because that’s based on how much you go over the limit? I’m raging ? 

Absolutely. The requirement was to use a method that met the requirements of Frs102. Nowhere in that does it stipulate that straight line should be used in all circumstances. 

I think the analogy is that we are in an organization (EFL) where we are not wanted or welcome.
I am afraid we just have to live with it. 
 
I feel sick to the stomach with this and feel we are being victimised
I just hope if we get new owners they can deal with the EFL 

Yeah, I've dropped old Rick boy an email and copied in Dame Margaret Beckett. In their giddy rush to ensure Steve Gibson is not inconvenienced by mere P & S regs applied to everyone else, they've inadvertently turned a 12-gauge on their own tootsies.
The indecent haste with which they've dealt with this matter also rather shines a light on the 24 months+++ they've taken thus far to sanction Derby. Quite amazing how quickly they can make a call when said call serves to protect their own interests rather than those of the clubs they are meant to serve. Given it's apparently quite acceptable to move the P & S 'goalposts' mid-season, clearly a retrospective reduction of the points deductions already applied in said season should provide no challenges whatsoever.
An interesting couple of weeks ahead, methinks!

And just to back you up, David, EFL did use professional accountants, Deloitte to support their case. But the guy from Deloittes was only there to provide the numbers to support their case. He wasn't able or willing to say whether the amortisation method we adopted was in breach of an accounting standard.

So a fair question is if EFL had access to Deloittes to help their case why didn't they get Deloittes to support them in saying the amortisation method was in breach of an accounting standard. I think we can guess the answer to that one too. 
 
 

 

I agree. It is clear that the EFL have an agenda against Derby County and it needs to be brought up. The EFL are not fit for purpose!

Yes, because it makes us more likely to be relegated.

Every time we have a bit of decent news we are slammed back by the EFL moving the goalposts to fit their agenda.
They want us relegated, end of story and it would not surprise me at all if Reading got some of their points back directly from the EFL.
The closer we get to getting out of administration and avoiding relegation, the more the EFL snakes squirm and think of new ways to have us over.
These changes of rules mid season surely cannot be legal from a governing body.
This needs to be brought up in parliament again to stop these crooks from running the league.
COYR?

Only if it was very obvious it would relegate us.
So about mid april i'm expecting it. they wouldn't want to do it too soon in case we overcame it.

Yes, because it makes us more likely to be relegated.

Don’t give up mate, people who are able to identify and then articulate these issues are so so important at times like these. Good on you

ROONEY..... ???

Yes, because it makes us more likely to be relegated.

Just sent this to Rick Parry. I'm still yet to receive a reply to my previous email, just needed to vent my frustration. This isn't acceptable, you can't run football like this.
 

To make it clear to anyone who thinks the EFL do not have a vendetta against us, exactly as Mel Morris stated, they wanted the points deduction that we have had this season, imposed last season, after the season had already finished, to ensure we were definitely relegated. This, again, is from the LAP document:
In the event that we were minded to impose a deduction of points, the EFL urged us to impose that deduction in the 2020/21 season.
The EFL was thus seeking (in effect) a retrospective points deduction; it was asking us to impose a points deduction for a season that had already been completed
 

So let me get this right, 2 clubs were punished for breaching P&S rules, one of which was due to be asked to resubmit previously signed off accounts. 
Now Bristol City, Boro and a number of other clubs look set to breach, they increase the COVID losses an extra £2.5m to help those that were heading for points deductions.
Showing exactly why an independent regulator is needed for the game. 
Even if an extra £2.5m allowance wouldn't have prevented us from breaching, how is it fair to go moving the goalposts midway through the season? 
Duck off with your no vendettas, I hope whoever buys this club takes the EFL to court and absolutely destroys them, QC would have a field day against this lot. 

Yay - let's celeberate - we're now roughly at the same point that we were with the Fake Sheikh and the Homoerotic Boxer

Let's not ignore the FACT every practicing accountant involved in the case deemed the policy to be compliant.

Fair enough Simon. If you’d be so good as to point me to the EFL rule which says which amortisation method must be used that would be great… Tw**.

May I take this opportunity to point you in the direction of the Jim Smith forum, where you can discuss bygone Derby to your hearts' content! 
Just have a thought for people coming in from busy days at work having to wade through all this.

Seriously pushing the limits as to how many times two people can say exactly the same thing to each other using a slightly different arrangement of words.
Can you not just take the debate to PMs now?