Bob The Badger

7 minutes ago, NottsRam said:

Get in, probably my favorite ever series Gomorrah.  Can't wait.

Yep, it's up there for me too. Totally oustanding.

7 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

The music sets it off perfectly too.

Don’t know if you have seen it but the interview Jeremy Strong (Kendall Roy) did last week was very illuminating.

He sets himself apart from the cast in real life too and takes it all very seriously.

I have this ready to go. LOVED the first 2 seasons and I hear the finale for this season was standout.

I know I said it before, but the scriptwriting is so clever and the acting is top-drawer whilst reaming deliberately tongue-in-cheek.

But much as I love it, I really cannot wait for this to drop on Saturday!

4 hours ago, maxjam said:

I refer back to my 100 Tory rebels and growing discontent amongst the general public.

Well over 1,000,000 got off their arses and marched against the invasion of Iraq and we still went in.

Things can change and things can deteriorate, but I yawn in your general direction at *discontent*.

20+ million were angry about Brexit and couldn't over turn it, so I'm not sure what basis you have to think that anything much will change for a Government that has such a strong majority and so long left in power.

A lot of Tories don't like Johnson, but he's given them power and they're unlikely to risk losing that.

Why would they?

Mid-terms in the US have a way of reining in excess for a 4 yearly cycle.

If you extract the urine, you may well keep the White House, but we will temper your ability to make change severely by giving the House and the Senate to the other Party.

We have nothing like that for a politcal cycle that is a year longer.

Many Brist think the US President has more power than a UK Prime Minister. That *can* be the case, but it often is just the opposite.

Johnson has waaaaay more power than Biden currently.

1 hour ago, TexasRam said:

 

I don’t believe the vocal posters are in the minority who are disgruntled with the current restrictions. However I think being upset by them doesn’t mean you won’t follow the rules hence your observations.
Now there comes the point where this will change, any restrictions on seeing families and friends or god forbid a tier system/ lockdown will see a sway in people not happy putting up with that disruption and will either ignore it or demonstrate against it, imo anyway. You will however have those two camps who will agree with more restrictions, one being those who say they are happy with the rules and they are the right thing to do but break them anyway, and the other who are so scared they will hide away forever. These two camps won’t be upset by any of the restrictions.  

You could be right. 

45 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(21)00557-2/fulltext

Conclusions

This study's significant results show that face mask mandates were associated with lower COVID-19 deaths rates compared with countries without mandates. These findings support use of face masks to prevent excess COVID-19 deaths, and should be advised during airborne disease epidemics.

Next time some one says there's no point in wearing a face covering, please remind them of this real world study. 

Yikes, that is a much bigger difference than I was expecting when I clicked through.

Here's what I predict however.

One of 3 or 4 posters will focus on the word may in the report headline and say 'See, they're guessing, they don't even know, that's not proof' or something along those lines.

And all of the other mask deniers will ignore it a bit like they ignore the fact that frontline hospital staff already have to have other vaccines as a condition of employment.

6 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Is that an example of a self evident truth? Im still not sure what they are.

Clearly.

Here is what @GboroRam said:

The vocal posters in this thread probably are a minority. Most people are quietly just dealing with it and not arguing, aren't happy but are putting up with the disruption and pain.

I've been in M & S and Tesco in Truro and both Asda and Tesco in St Austell this week as well as B & Q.

Here's what I have observed.

The overwhelming majority of people wearing masks. I only saw more than 2 people not wearing a mask in one place and that was Marks, where I saw 3. I only saw 1 person in Asda (the biggest of all the stores) other than an older guy in a wheelchair on oxygen.

I'd say the figure was around the 2% of people not wearing masks.

That's kinda self evident, but I know you and @Norman will probably come back with some devastating retort pointing out that that is just anecdotal, which would be true.

But self evident truths are anecdotal, because ya know, they're self evident. Meaning you can clearly see for yourself.

A self evident truth would be that the M25 appears to be busier on a Friday at 5 pm than on at 4 am on a Sunday morning to anybody who drives on it. Few people would want scientific data to believe such a statement.

My self evident truth is local, so if I lived in a bubble there could be an argument for suggesting this area of Cornwall is an outlier.

But it isn't.

There are no stories of riots. No media reports of massive problems with people refusing to wear masks on public transport. And no social media buzz about an imminent uprising.

Of course there are many people unhappy with the situation as GB pointed out, but it's self evident that most are just getting on with their lives.

NOW, if there were hundreds of posters in this thread as there are members, you could make a case for saying it's self evident that most people are indeed arguing and highly vocal.

But as there are less than 1% of members (figure plucked out my ass tbf, but I doubt it's more) that adds more weight to it being self evident that @GboroRam was on the money.

You can hold your hands up to being wrong again although I fear you're going to get repetitive strain injury at this rate.

7 hours ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

They cant impose another lockdown, there would be riots after party gate. Boris knows that if he goes down that path,  he's toast.

Now that would a great reason to party!!!

 

There were riots in the Netherlands and they still imposed the lockdown.

I doubt there will be one, however.

12 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

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Most people? You must have done one hell of a survey to come to that conclusion.

There are occasions when you don't need to survey people because something contrary would be obvious. It's called a self evident truth.

Most people are breathing just fine, most people stupidly don't support Derby and most people are indeed getting on with it. If they weren't, in a country of 70 million it would literally be anarchy. 

Im not sure if most people know what a self evident truth is though. You clearly don't, so that lowers the odds somewhat. 

10 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Down t-pit?

Thread winner!!

I heard that Jethro had died, but it wasn't until the wife just said she works with a friend of Jess his daughter, that I heard it was Covid.

Not my comedic style, but sad nonetheless, whether it was Covid or being hit by a combine harvester. 

11 minutes ago, Archied said:

100% correct, problem is you can spin it 180 degrees and find the mirror image , this last two years have brought out the worst in lots of people and sadly a lot of them the type you would least expect it from 

Not you though.

Or me.

Just the worst in other people.

Can I lend you a mirror?

5 minutes ago, Norman said:

Careful, mate. He will post it in his World famous Facebook Groups with 10k followers. That's a lot of people who can then tell more people about how anecdotally they know someone who apologised on the internet. 

Deep.

Very deep.

48 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

I'm sorry Bob...but I have to pull you up there, It was some one elses Hamster he didn't eat ?, Unless of course you have evidence that he ate his own hamster ?

He didn't eat his girlfriends, or his own hamster.

I have a mate called Wayne. He didn't eat his hamster either.

The amount of hamsters Freddie didn't eat is remarkable tbf.

I got this horribly wrong.

I should have read the article.

35 minutes ago, Archied said:

Neat trick if you can pull it off??‍♂️

You'd need tweezers.

3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

And equally fishing nets with less holes than your arguments for them...

Genius.

And I thought Oscar Wilde was dead.

14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I made a mistake and hold my hands up.

You literally didn't read it!

You posted an article you didn't read to support an erroneous belief and then try and move on like it's no big thang.

Er, yeh it is, it means you lack any credibility whatsoever

And I did link to two articles. One in the US and one in the UK. The latter lumped all NHS Trust workers together, but to think doctors are lower than the average beggars belief.

Maybe you didn't read my response because you were too busy reading about Freddie Starr eating his hamster.

3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

And what has that got to do with vaccine passports?

Do you have to carry round a card saying that you wear a seatbelt?

Nope, but you have to carry a card saying you're fit to drive (or at least have access to one) because they don't want people being the wheel who pose a threat to others.

I'm not even sure whether we should have vaccine passports, I get people's resistance in certain respects, but there are shelves of Swiss cheese and bars of Crunchie with less holes than your arguments. 

41 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Why would you ask the admins to delete

Because you dived in sharing research that you clearly didn't read just because you thought it supported what you believed (or wanted to believe) rather than because it expanded or added to the debate.

Why didn't you just read it first? It was mentioned in the body and on the graph?

1 hour ago, uttoxram75 said:

I would imagine

There's a lot of that going on.

17 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/what-the-bma-is-doing/covid-19-analysing-the-impact-of-coronavirus-on-doctors

Dude, that report was from this week but the stats are from March.

I'd ask the admins to delete that for you if I were you.

14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

It was you that made the claim that:-

'Yet doctors are still overwhelmingly in favour of getting it for themselves and giving it to their families.'

So I would assume you already have the facts to back this up?

FWIW I could not find any stats at all about doctors in favour of giving it to their families but will obviously accept it when you provide the evidence. 

Well, as you know I lived in the US for a long time and as I said, I do still tend to follow US news. I should have checked because I'm wrong with doctors, it's over 96% fully vaccinated, not 97% as I outrageously and shockingly claimed.

I take your point as you slide the goalposts to one side and ask about their families though, because that is very much a supposition and based on common sense and my own anecdotal evidence. Which I hasten to add, is not scientifically valid, but can have value.

Ok @Norman? ?

Seeing as there is no legal requirement in the US (at least that I have heard) it would be extremely weird for a doctor to get a vaccine (presumably because they thought it worked) and not suggest their family have it too. Dontchya think? 

That would be like putting your seat belt on and not suggesting your family bother with theirs.

Or you cut out sugar and high fat fpr health reasons foods whilst giving it to your loved ones.

Time to pay Mr Google a visit.

Well look at that, a 2.7 second search suggests that, according to the BMJ,  about 5 weeks ago over 90% of NHS Trust staff were fully vaccinated and 93% had at least one vaccination.

I'm not saying that's overwhelming, but ya know, it kinda is.

Maybe techs and nurses are really high and doctors lower? Seems on the scale between highly implausible and ludicrous, but who knows? 

Plus, it that doesn't fit with NHS being frustrated at lower level staff refusing to get vaccinated.

It's such a conundrum G Star, it really is.

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

From what I can see, 85% of doctors (who responded to a BMA survey) have had the vaccine, so pretty much in line with the general population.

That equates to roughly 1 in 6 doctors not having, plus any others who may not have responded to the question.

I wouldn't really call that overwhelming personally.

I still have a tendency to follow US news first and the AMA have said 97% of physicians are fully vaccinated. 

I'd be stunned if the figure in the UK is dramatically lower. Feel free to point me to updated stats because I could be wrong. 

If you extrapolate the data out from the people in this thread, it sounds to me like people are dropping like flies after having the vaccine.

Yet doctors are still overwhelmingly in favour of getting it for themselves and giving it to their families.

It appears we have a bunch of homicidal and suicidal psychopaths running our health service.

8 minutes ago, Norman said:

Again, another post that gives a definition followed by an example. Loving the effort people go to. 

The poster said he wasn't offering anecdotal evidence, I said he was.

I didn't say he shouldn't, or that I didn't.

It's frequently all we have.

Try and follow the plot.