PistoldPete

I hadn't heard about that until last night when I saw people talking about it in the matchday thread. So sad, presumably he was very young. 
Jags deserves great credit for playing with all that going on.

The way it would end is that we had to reduce that spending as it was unsustainable. And that was happening…  net transfer spend negative since 2015/16. Wage bill trimmed dramatically.
 
but how it actually ended was administration .. and that was due to COVID.
if COVID hadn’t happened admin wouldn’t have happened .
As for Bias I’m the one with a balanced view .. you are the ones blaming Mel Morris for everything that has gone wrong .

Can I just suggest a name change if you decide on a legal career ? . Pistol Pete might not be the most appropriate moniker for a High Court Judge ?
I wanted to be a Goalie but I found that being called Butterfingers Bill restricted my opportunities just a little 

I agree Mel Morris has been reckless, but much of your post is just innuendo. The claim that the most proximate cause of admin is COVID is something that is not being made just by Mel Morris but also the administrators who as insolvency prcationers are better placed to judge than you or I .
I don't think he was trigger happy with managers, in fact two of his managerial appointments were poached by other clubs, and Maclaren was effectively too.
 
etc etc
 
Basically we disagree.
 
 

Exactly . If I was a judge and Efl tried to claim COVID wasn’t a force majeure I would dismiss the point in two minutes flat and award all costs to Derby.

Wayne would not want to work for disrespectful owners . I would say the Saudis are quite disrespectful at times . People who are respectful to them by bowing their heads just get them chopped off.

Wayne would not want to work for disrespectful owners . I would say the Saudis are quite disrespectful at times . People who are respectful to them by bowing their heads just get them chopped off.

I agree Mel Morris has been reckless, but much of your post is just innuendo. The claim that the most proximate cause of admin is COVID is something that is not being made just by Mel Morris but also the administrators who as insolvency prcationers are better placed to judge than you or I .
I don't think he was trigger happy with managers, in fact two of his managerial appointments were poached by other clubs, and Maclaren was effectively too.
 
etc etc
 
Basically we disagree.
 
 

You mean the order that was settled within four days of it being issued?  The one in january 2020 when he had signed contracts for the club to be taken over so any debts should have been paid by someone else?

You say he was trigger happy , yet say Rowett should have been sacked after getting us into the playoffs. How many managers have forest had? Or Watford? Wassell was always a temporary appointment and he is still at the club. 
Stuff about the training ground and so on, pure gossip. 
Maclaren, Wassell, Rowett and Lampard all got Derby into the playoffs where they lost to teams in receipt of parachute money, with much bigger spending than ours. QPR bust the spending limits blatantly way more than we ever did, and both they and Villa spent two to three times our wage bill in order to defeat us in the play off finals.   Rowett went to Stoke because he thought he could do better there than at Derby  as they had more money than us. So how come Stoke finished below Derby the next season?
For all Morris reckless spending we actually overachieved within our budgets when compared to clubs around us who were spending far more. That is what even Rick Parry recognises is the fundamental problem with the Championship,  and that needs to be fixed. 
 
 
 

You say he was trigger happy , yet say Rowett should have been sacked after getting us into the playoffs. How many managers have forest had? Or Watford? Wassell was always a temporary appointment and he is still at the club. 
Stuff about the training ground and so on, pure gossip. 
Maclaren, Wassell, Rowett and Lampard all got Derby into the playoffs where they lost to teams in receipt of parachute money, with much bigger spending than ours. QPR bust the spending limits blatantly way more than we ever did, and both they and Villa spent two to three times our wage bill in order to defeat us in the play off finals.   Rowett went to Stoke because he thought he could do better there than at Derby  as they had more money than us. So how come Stoke finished below Derby the next season?
For all Morris reckless spending we actually overachieved within our budgets when compared to clubs around us who were spending far more. That is what even Rick Parry recognises is the fundamental problem with the Championship,  and that needs to be fixed. 
 
 
 

EFL have obviously added to our problems in mulitple ways. Having to defend spurious claims about the stadium sale, reputational damage through inaccurate briefings by EFL to the press etc etc .. the list of EFL's wrongdongs is a very long one.  The amortisation issue is also a very marginal issue that if the EFL had really dealt with properly would either have been tackled in 2016 or not at all.  Instead tackling it five years after the event caused us multiple problems, and that case dragged on for far too long which is likely to cause us points deductions just when w ecan least afford them, and more financial woes. It is very likely that the EFL's vendetta against us put off potential buyers and  that of course affected our propects of avoiding administration, and continues to affect our prospects of emerging from it.
Then of course is the fact that their actions caused us to be unable to claim the covid support loan... etc etc.
All in all, I think EFL are already more culpable than Morris and as Morris has now gone we can hardly blame him for any continuing woes that are inflicted on us.. the blame is now firmly pointing at the EFL for anything wrong further that may happen.
 
Similar comments apply to all the keyboard warrior journalists , podcasters , rival club supporters , Gibson and co etc who have made ridiculous exaggerations and blamed Morris and the club of wrongdoing out of all proportion to what has actually happened. That puts off potential buyers , eggs on the EFL and provides self justification for ill judged  disproprtionate and ultimately counter productive  punishments from the EFL.
Keogh and Rush were employees..true.  if Keogh hadn't passed to Zamora none of this would have happened, if as club captain he hadn't led players on a drunken rampage through Allestree we would have been in a better place for sure .As for his £2m million compo well that wasn't Morris fault that's for sure, it's the kangaoo court that awarded it. .  what could Morris have done anyway , paid Keogh millions for sitting on his backside with his self inflicted injury? 
 
And who was it negotiated ridiculous player contracts many of them Wasserman clients? But Sam Rush. Yes Morris signed the cheques, silly fool, but really the whole thing was a mess up with multiple players at fault. 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 

You mean the order that was settled within four days of it being issued?  The one in january 2020 when he had signed contracts for the club to be taken over so any debts should have been paid by someone else?

EFL have obviously added to our problems in mulitple ways. Having to defend spurious claims about the stadium sale, reputational damage through inaccurate briefings by EFL to the press etc etc .. the list of EFL's wrongdongs is a very long one.  The amortisation issue is also a very marginal issue that if the EFL had really dealt with properly would either have been tackled in 2016 or not at all.  Instead tackling it five years after the event caused us multiple problems, and that case dragged on for far too long which is likely to cause us points deductions just when w ecan least afford them, and more financial woes. It is very likely that the EFL's vendetta against us put off potential buyers and  that of course affected our propects of avoiding administration, and continues to affect our prospects of emerging from it.
Then of course is the fact that their actions caused us to be unable to claim the covid support loan... etc etc.
All in all, I think EFL are already more culpable than Morris and as Morris has now gone we can hardly blame him for any continuing woes that are inflicted on us.. the blame is now firmly pointing at the EFL for anything wrong further that may happen.
 
Similar comments apply to all the keyboard warrior journalists , podcasters , rival club supporters , Gibson and co etc who have made ridiculous exaggerations and blamed Morris and the club of wrongdoing out of all proportion to what has actually happened. That puts off potential buyers , eggs on the EFL and provides self justification for ill judged  disproprtionate and ultimately counter productive  punishments from the EFL.
Keogh and Rush were employees..true.  if Keogh hadn't passed to Zamora none of this would have happened, if as club captain he hadn't led players on a drunken rampage through Allestree we would have been in a better place for sure .As for his £2m million compo well that wasn't Morris fault that's for sure, it's the kangaoo court that awarded it. .  what could Morris have done anyway , paid Keogh millions for sitting on his backside with his self inflicted injury? 
 
And who was it negotiated ridiculous player contracts many of them Wasserman clients? But Sam Rush. Yes Morris signed the cheques, silly fool, but really the whole thing was a mess up with multiple players at fault. 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 

You mean the order that was settled within four days of it being issued?  The one in january 2020 when he had signed contracts for the club to be taken over so any debts should have been paid by someone else?

Oh how long have we got? EFL of course is the biggie missing from your list. All the media assassins. Gibson of course. Maguire. Keogh. Rush,  etc etc 
 

Yes I think Mel deserves criticism and plenty of it for his poor judgements . But questioning his honesty is over the top in my view.

You mean the order that was settled within four days of it being issued?  The one in january 2020 when he had signed contracts for the club to be taken over so any debts should have been paid by someone else?

Yes I think Mel deserves criticism and plenty of it for his poor judgements . But questioning his honesty is over the top in my view.

Yes I think Mel deserves criticism and plenty of it for his poor judgements . But questioning his honesty is over the top in my view.

There is still a massive amount of information not in the public domain. I think a post mortem of Mel’s tenure should not be started until the new owners are in place. Perhaps then we will have the full story, and be able to comment factually on how he has performed.

If HMRC messing with my tax code is anything to go by they are not rational at all, or competent .

neither HMRC nor EFL are rational , and that is a big worry.

Yes I think Mel deserves criticism and plenty of it for his poor judgements . But questioning his honesty is over the top in my view.

Yes I think Mel deserves criticism and plenty of it for his poor judgements . But questioning his honesty is over the top in my view.