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Wel they’re both regular church goers so it’s an easy mistake to make especially as we’ve got Vicars already. 

Glad to see that Warne has got the necessary praise for the job he's done.
My own personal journey with him is as follows;
Delighted he got the job because I found LR ball boring. Gutted we stuttered out the play offs last season but still fully behind him. Wanted him gone after Stevenage. Accepted DC stance and our improved form softened me to him again. Delighted he's taken us up and believe he deserves a crack at keeping us there. My expectations of next season is for us to finish bottom 8 so unless we're doing a Wednesday from earlier on this season or Rotherham throughout the entirety of this season then i'll be content with whats going on. Whether PW can take us to the next level (PL) is debatable but i think we're at least 3/4 seasons away from entering that picture so plenty of ups and downs to digest before then.
Hopefully we can see a wave of positivity behind him and the team now and over the summer. Although i can't help but think if we lose our opening couple of matches a few posters toys will be thrown out their pram, hopefully i'm wrong. 
Congrats Paul, keep up the good work.
 

I'm sure it was. But my point is that even four weeks' away from automatic promotion, and folks still acting like idiots.
Well, no acting involved, really.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. PWs first two promotions, did indeed, see them straight back down. How much of that is more down to the spending and pulling power (or the lack thereof) of RUFC and not down to PW. Following his 3rd promotion with them, after 9 games they were 8th with a game in hand on all the sides above them. Win that game and they'd have been 5th. He left to come to us and they plummeted to 19th that season 22/23. This season they are back down. Millers fans were saying, lasts season that the football they played in those 9 games was "proper football" not Warneball. I'm going to stick my neck on the line and predict we'll see better footbal next season PROVIDED we can get the right type of player in to replace the 10 or so who won't be getting a new contract offer.
Warne has completed his 1st task, getting us back in the Championship, by hook or by crook. Now on to what I perceive to be the 2nd task, consolidation in and eventual promotion from the Championship playing "proper football". By that I mean not being one dimensional as we have been a lot of this season. By all means have your wide men go down the outside and cross the ball but it shouldn't be your only game. Have them cut inside and have a shot as well. Use the channels as well, play through the middle as well... all valid ways of playing the game and, IMO, teams should use a combination of them all. Sometimes at speed, sometimes in a patient build up. Don't make life easy for the opposition, keep them guessing.

Agree with much you say. My dim distant memory of the Cox years was that Division 3, as it was in those days, was not as competitive as it is today. May be wrong! The other point I would make is once Cox’s teams got promoted e splashed the cash and it was obvious certain players disliked each other e.g. Gabiadini / Kitson. You do not find that in Warner’s team. Never seen a team spirit like it.

I’ve no problem with critics provided they have some evidence/justification to back up their arguments. It the speculative ones who say things like “Warne won’t be able to manage in the Championship” I cannot really tolerate. 

I remember someone starting a chant of "Paul Warne, your football is sh*t" at Blackpool at 0-0, which got some purchase, before we took the lead.
The most ridiculous criticism of Warne I heard was from a youth sat a couple of rows behind me when we were losing at home to Charlton telling anyone within earshot that Warne "is obnoxious". I wouldn't mind betting he was on the pitch on Saturday proclaiming his love for Warne 😂 
You only had to listen to the moan-in after a defeat, draw or scrappy win to realise that the critics were persistent and numerous. I've little doubt that they'll be back the minute we sign an ex-Rotherham player.

Just come back on to congratulate PW, records broken and another promotion on his already impressive CV. 

I will be disappearing again, although will keep an eye on transfer forum and don't worry @LeedsCityRam, our bet still stands and I will happily pay up if I lose.
It may have been a minority, however the constant sniping at everything PW did, took the enjoyment out of the forum for me, from hampering the academy, not having the ability to get players in, PW football etc...he only had to lose one game and they were endless and imo unsubstantiated. I do appreciate though, it's all about opinions, so fair enough.
I will come back though when he leads us to the PL 🥳

Wel they’re both regular church goers so it’s an easy mistake to make especially as we’ve got Vicars already. 

Percy’s latest article has a couple of interesting points in, one of which is that allegedly a recruitment meeting is taking place tomorrow and Warne will meet out of contract players next week, so probably won’t get confirmation of the retained list until later next week. 

As much as it’s been easy to bash Bradley after his calamitous start, he’s been excellent for the past few months in both boxes (bar the silly sending off)

I've just been told by a Huddersfield fan that there was talk of Sorba Thomas joining us and agreeing to terms last week. Not one I believe and haven't seen a single person mention it elsewhere, but thought I'd note it here in case it happens and I get ITK credibility. 

I was really hoping he'd have a decent season then sign for us on a free in the summer. If we sign him now it could only really be with a financial arrangement that is heavily linked to appearances/goals. 

I was a manager with some success during most of my working life
I learned early that the way to the objective was team work, any or all part of that team was heralded at some point, each person playing their part, large or small, but all of it orchestrated by the manager.
The eventual goal being reached by the group, was the indicator of a good manager, so I will say we have a good manager. 
We have much further to go to reach the promised land of milk and honey, and I would expect that most would give a grudging acceptance that Mr Warne should have the opportunity to take us to the next level.
He may choose not to accept the challenges ahead and decide to step down.
He may feel the challenge too much, and decide that he can maintain his kudos at a lower level and should that be the case, I would heartily thank him for his hard work in getting us out of the millpond of Division 1. 
I personally think he will have much still to offer in a higher setting, and should he decide that the timing is right and wishes to uptake the stark challenges ahead, I for one would whole heartedly support that initiative.
I like his whole club mentality and generally as a person he comes over as genuine,  and that will always be a key issue for this old fan, he cares.
So to close, Mr Warne because of you leadership and moral code, I will accept your decision either way, but if you stay you will definitely have the support of this old RAM.
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Spot on 

Yet your not prepared to clarify what you hint at , ie if someone says they feel bullied then they are being bullied , you may well deal with it in your job , doesn’t mean you understand it any better than anybody else , your above post sets you out as knowing more about it as you deal with it in your job,
you’ve thrown out the accusation of bullying of forum posters , now I feel that’s bullying by you to get your own way, by your metric that make s you a bully , doesn’t matter if you are or not , me feeling it is enough to make it so ? 🤷🏻‍♂️

I am happy to be proved wrong but I think it was something like Stockport Ram under a thread cheerio ?  -  can’t find it. It upset me at the time, hate to see anyone stressed like that,  but rather than bullying I think (don’t know if I am right ? ) he talked about toxic, negative, argumentative debate. Anyway, he/she had a point. Sometimes we all get riled and exchanges between posters get a bit spicy. Regardless, I would suggest that bullying (and I have been there ) is when you feel cowed, frightened and unable to voice your feelings because of some over bearing presence or physical threat. The contention that this has happened here is, to me at least, fallacious . There has been scorn, derision, petty name calling on many fronts but no individual poster has been singled out, isolated or threatened. The only possible “victim” of near universal opprobrium is Bris .. but he/she courts it and I suspect loves the attention caused by his inflammatory and condescending statements of “fact” - as he/she sees it. Everyone else has their allies. I haven’t seen anyone in a corner alone or picked on. I think you need to understand what bullying really is.

I don’t want to start a squabble at such a happy time but “crap and going nowhere” illustrates this misplaced demand for instant success. It’s something that rarely happens. I’d say, that at that time we looked lacklustre, disjointed, not working in harmony or being better than the sum of our parts (which is what a team game needs) Warne was new at the time, had inherited players and little room to buy. He needed time to build that group in to team. He needed to Instill his culture and methods. That took time.  He succeeded.
That is why I get so narky when the knives come out after a couple of bad results. I am going to say the same next season when we are 15th in the table  just had a bore draw at home against a lower ranked side. Patience. 

To be honest though mate I think we’ve all felt like that over one topic on this forum, the unfortunate truth is we’ve all been the person rounding up on someone else too. Although I think it’s got a little worse since the admin year because everyone was more active and living through every twist, I just think it’s part of forum life. You’ll  write a throwaway post and it’ll be analysed within an inch of its life, you’ll write five long paragraphs explaining your view in a balanced way and no one will engage except one poster who still hasn’t got the point of what you’ve said. Again, it’s what it is.
We are all over precious about what we say, I really try nowerdays to make my point on something and let it go. It might not help debate but it helps not having to explain something over and over. Also I think we sometimes just have to admit we were wrong sometimes. I’ve criticised Warne, Bird, Wilson and a whole load more things at different times this season but I’ve also had to admit on here they’ve all proved me wrong at some point too. We all have a right to an opinion but we also have to put our arms up sometimes too. 
 

Knee-jerk reactions are just that. I was pointing out just how stupid they can be, and how much egg can be left on faces. You would think that people would learn not to jump in with both feet when a more measured response would be more apposite, but it seems to be a common trait amongst some. It's also worth pointing out that the thread in question rumbled on for several more months, with the egg getting more and more smelly with each passing week.

It's the perfect lexical choice for what I meant?

 
I politely disagree with the notion that all opinions are valid or equal, also. Plenty of critics this season resorted to calling Warne a ''clown'' or a ''PE teacher'' etc; these individual's opinions mean far, far less than those who actually know what they're talking about and can discuss without turning to throwaway insults. You kind of invalidate yourself when you stoop to that level...

We are all expressing our own opinions on here. They are often opinions without background knowledge.
We have no idea how players have performed in training, what’s going on in their personal lives, who’s a good influence and who isn’t.
So there is every possibility that we are wrong. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have our say, or indeed that other ’experts’ should tell us we are wrong, or even stupid.
I am quite happy to admit that I was a complete arse in doubting Collins’ ability to score goals this season. 
I have been a strong critic of Sonny Bradley, and whilst some of that was justified, I’m delighted at the way he has played at the end of the season.
We’re all fallible but please let’s be more respectful of other opinions. Just as we don’t know much about the players’ private lives, you never know what posters on here are going through and how a casual slur can affect them.
 

Let’s open up that conversation again, you and those others with valid concerns that you’re undoubtedly able to articulate should put them forward now (not saying you shouldn’t have before either by the way). The season is done, the radio Derby review and preview last night included some deserved praise for what has been delivered and some fair observations on what could be better, so let’s discuss it openly as adults as you say 🍻
 
Any inappropriate comments or behaviour can be reported should there be any. 

Open views and discussion are essential to the forum, but on the other hand we must take firm measures to ensure the purity of the faith and heathen unbelievers must be purged.
No one expects the Paul Warne inquisition!
*Tis a joke

It's Tuesday, is it too early to start a new 'Warne Out' thread?