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Devastating news. Although I never met Daniel, I feel like we've lost a close family member. I hope both he and his family can feel the love we have for him tonight. He would have loved todays performance. RIP buddy. A legend in every sense of the word. It won't be the same around here without him. 

I never met him, but I feel I knew him so well. 
Sad, desperately sad news. Condolences to all who knew and loved him. 

I never met him, but I feel I knew him so well. 
Sad, desperately sad news. Condolences to all who knew and loved him. 

I have some very sad news this evening.  Daniel (B4) died earlier this week. He was just 38.
As you know, he has been battling numerous health conditions for a long time, but always remained cheerful  and was the most loyal supporter of his beloved Rams, home and away.
He was at the match at Crewe and gave his full support as always. 
Daniel leaves behind a grieving dad, mum and sister. Our thoughts go out to them and we only hope they get a little comfort from knowing how well loved Daniel is by all who know him. 
Here are a couple of photos that his dad agreed could be shared. I'm sure many of you have others, as Daniel loved a selfie at the game.
David is hoping to arrange a more fitting tribute in time, but for now please raise a glass in his memory and a good Derby win today. I am sure that's what Daniel would have been doing tonight.
 

There's a certain irony here, posting on a football forum - the iconic activity where thugs tagged along for the violence with no interest in anything else. 

But not all sides deserve equal respect. Some sides are crazy. Some sides are biased, unverified and outright ludicrous. You can rule out speaking, listening to and understanding them if they're away with the fairies, or outright biased. 
The problem with Israel / Palestine is that both sides are biased, both sides use disinformation, and both sides have extremist fringes prepared to outright lie and cheat to garner sympathy with their cause. 
The two people shown on film not understanding anything about the conflict, I can emphasise in as much as it's impossible to trust any news (that said, they clearly were idiots), because there's so much disinformation it's not sensible to believe much. If mainstream news gets it wrong, I certainly don't want to turn to YouTube and TikTok for the real story. The fringes are definitely involved in those spaces. Unlikely they've infiltrated BBC news and Sky News. Dead tree press are so aligned to politicians it's about on the same level as TikTok for reliability. 

What a world we live in where a headline like this will have him derided in certain quarters  as being "woke"
 
 

I'm worried about your conspiracy theories if you take that at face value!

Now the real prime minister has cracked down on the scummy charities dishing out shelter, Go Outdoors have been left with a mountain of surplus stock to shift.
There's a new sign outside my local branch, "Now is the winter of our discount tents".
I'm here all week, try the kosher lamb.
 

Your sexuality is your business. What is this - a dating site?

Sounds familiar👀

When the Home Secretary realised it was convenient to her to blur the lines so she could get on her soap box.

Going back to Palestine for a minute. 
I was thinking about the human shield, about who would kill an innocent civilian. 
On the one hand you've got people who believe there are no innocent people being killed. They're either terrorists, apologists for terrorists, guilty by association with terrorists or responsible for the terrorist leaders. Whatever justification they have, they've convinced themselves that they don't count as innocent. Guilt is unequivocal, and viewing them as "human animals" means they can be treated with impunity. They don't count as deserving life. 
On the other hand, there's a group who have weighed up the equation, which holds more value - the life of an unknown number of innocent palestinians, vs the death of a much smaller number of Hamas supporters - and have decided the deaths hold greater value than the lives. Now that speaks to me of their value of those innocent lives. 

The Economist has said that Netenyahu has  for years tolerated Hamas because it allows him to refuse peace talks. That’s credible enough and has come from several sources. 
 
But your suggestion that there was a cunning plan to allow Hamas to inflict such horror on 7/10 is not credible.  Not least because that would have required senior IDF officers to have participated in the conspiracy. No way 

I think that paragraph neatly sums up how people get sucked into conspiracy theories.
You are believing in something utterly mindblowing and think there is actual evidence that decidedly points to it! You can't mix up beliefs and evidence.
Why not start from something far less outlandish. Israeli took their eye off the ball from a security perspective because they were busy dealing with loads of internal strife caused by a useless, populist government. Populists cannot govern, they can only campaign. Simple slogans do not solve complex problems.
They also stupidly allowed Hamas to become stronger, possibly to keep moderate Palestinians out of power. 
These conditions clearly were suitable to allow Hamas to carry out their deadly attacks.
The issue now is the disaster unfolding in Gaza. Conspiracy theories are probably designed to make people look elsewhere!

My beliefs are what? 
That if Hamas surrendered tomorrow, if they laid down all weapons that  1)This wouldn't halt Israeli expansion in West Bank. 2) That another resistance would rise in their place because of the condition of Palestinian people
That if Israel respected international law, respected boundaries. Worked with Palestinians. Halted the settlements. Actually stopped and punished settler violence. If they gave Palestinians a reason to reject Hamas then we would find a route towards peace. When the need for a resistance would fade. And Israel being a powerful military nation has the ability to fight Hamas/defend themselves AND work with Palestinians (probably Fatah to create a state) 
It wouldn't be a smooth ride. But it would be the right road. 
That is my belief. Do you have problem with that? 
The final sentence is just unnecessarily rude. 🤣
 

Try searching antisemitism awareness week. Looks like lots of organisations have tried to create it. 
Why is Islamophobia month a thing and antisemitism awareness month isn't? Is it maybe because we are aware (well, I thought we were aware, but apparently arguing not to kill civilians is antisemitic, so perhaps I'm wrong) what antisemitism looks like, but Islamophobia is ignored, condoned and even seen as acceptable. 
The real answer is because someone has organised one and it's captured enough attention to get traction, the other for some reason hasn't. 
OK, I've answered your question that wasn't worthy of a response. Now you answer why nowhere else other than Gaza is shooting a human shield acceptable? It's morally repugnant, that's why. 
I await your lovely laughing emoji, because dead civilians is such a hoot. 

Your question is not worthy of a reply. 

(Deleted. No point going down this route. Sorry)
 

Try searching antisemitism awareness week. Looks like lots of organisations have tried to create it. 
Why is Islamophobia month a thing and antisemitism awareness month isn't? Is it maybe because we are aware (well, I thought we were aware, but apparently arguing not to kill civilians is antisemitic, so perhaps I'm wrong) what antisemitism looks like, but Islamophobia is ignored, condoned and even seen as acceptable. 
The real answer is because someone has organised one and it's captured enough attention to get traction, the other for some reason hasn't. 
OK, I've answered your question that wasn't worthy of a response. Now you answer why nowhere else other than Gaza is shooting a human shield acceptable? It's morally repugnant, that's why. 
I await your lovely laughing emoji, because dead civilians is such a hoot. 

@cstandmate, honestly I'm done after the disputed land comment. There's no where to go from this point. 
The gaslighting antisemite accusations. Whatever. I can be antisemitic if you want me to be. Whatever you like. Your problem with Islamophobia month is your problem. Not mine. Write a letter, go on a protest. I'm not bothered at all. They can have Antisemitism month 12 times per year for me. I don't care. Black history month? I don't care. White Supremacy month? I don't care unless I get some vouchers for my white hood collection. 
There's just no debate to be had when it gets to this point. It's like the arguments in Speakers Corner between a Zionist and a Muslim who rejects all of Israel. No point. I don't know why they bother. 

That doesn't answer my question. Why is this barbaric response towards innocent people allowed? 
Name me any film where the cop executes the hostage, and justifies it as acceptable collateral damage? Why do you think there aren't any (or if there are any, why so few?) 

That doesn't answer my question. Why is this barbaric response towards innocent people allowed? 
Name me any film where the cop executes the hostage, and justifies it as acceptable collateral damage? Why do you think there aren't any (or if there are any, why so few?) 

clearly if you do not defend it or, worse, criticise it you stand the risk of being tarred as an antisemite.  it feels as though there is an agenda to maintain the polarisation at all costs.  Nothing good will come of that apart for the money men supplying arms

Paul Warne, your football is a hit, clearly heard from the crowd.