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Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

Sky Sports article from back then: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12633357/chris-kirchner-withdraws-derby-county-bid
"Sky Sports News understands that Kirchner's withdrawal has come as a shock to the EFL and Quantuma - both of whom had been given reassurances as recently as Sunday that Kirchner was determined to complete the sale."
The EFL being shocked at Kirchner withdrawing is hardly the response you'd expect if they'd already told Kirchner they'd withdrawn his approval...

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

He's never picked up an injury that wasn't a result of playing football so STFU if you think it's his fault in some way. 

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

Without going back through the article again as I was posting - that’s exactly what I was trying to say!! Diplomatically you can say at best it’s the EFL misleading people to save face, we all know what happened and as you say it was bolting the door after the horse has bolted. I’m more inclined to say it’s a barefaced lie, they never withdrew their approval because the deal fell through, if it hadn’t fallen through Kirchner would’ve taken over. 

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

I don't think that's quite what they're saying.  They're saying they saw evidence of multiple sources of finance, but that was fine. I suspect a lot of bids would involve multiple sources, e.g. it's quite possible that Clowes bid involved some of his personal money, some from other family members, some from Clowes Development Ltd, possibly even some financing from somewhere etc.  Multiple sources probably isn't unusual, what matters is you can prove that you legally have access to that money, which presumably Kirchner did at the time.
The weird bit is the EFL claiming they withdrew approval at any relevant point.  From what I remember, the timeline was basically we/Quantuma asked for the money a bunch of times, and eventually Kirchner withdrew from the process when it became clear he couldn't produce it.  If the EFL had withdrawn approval at any point before that, the entire process would have stopped dead and we'd have known about it.  The EFL would have absolutely used that as a reason to criticise Quantuma in public again.  But I don't remember it happening.
So it sounds to me like the EFL are trying to claim that they were the sensible ones and stepped in to stop the takeover, when in actual fact they probably withdrew approval after Kirchner had already dropped out.  So textbook bolting the door after the horse has bolted, and typical of the EFL trying to save face when they've screwed up publicly again.

Whole team's different with Bird in it. Every single player. They can make riskier runs, can expect a pass into feet if they're a forward, or a ball out wide for full backs and wingers. These players can play their game without having to think.
He doesn't do Hollywood passes that often, but he pulls off those slightly-more-difficult than average passes relentlessly, every time. Very few CMs at this level can do it. It's the marginal gain that separates us from the rest of the league and puts us up there with the best.
That's where the calm comes from with Bird. Having a player like that in the spine of your team makes everything run like clockwork.

Presumably Quantuma saw the same evidence too.  And, as I understand it, they're duty-bound to accept the best offer for creditors, so if Kirchner's was the highest bid they basically had to accept it.  The creditors would have been within their right to sue Quantuma if they'd, for example, accepted a Mike Ashley offer for 20% less than the Kirchner bid.

Presumably Quantuma saw the same evidence too.  And, as I understand it, they're duty-bound to accept the best offer for creditors, so if Kirchner's was the highest bid they basically had to accept it.  The creditors would have been within their right to sue Quantuma if they'd, for example, accepted a Mike Ashley offer for 20% less than the Kirchner bid.

I'd say it's more than 2 games.  We were ropey against Bolton, absolutely dreadful for 88 minutes against Port Vale, poor against West Ham and pretty poor for the first half against Morecambe too. Even the Cheltenham game before that we were pretty sloppy.  We look way off what we were a month or so ago, and we've started conceding soft goals too.  Hopefully it's just a blip and not burnout from playing so aggressively with a lot of older legs in the team.