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Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Rosenior , warne or whoever is derby manager in our current circumstances has to hit the ground running and keep it running no matter how they play or else they are very quickly under pressure from one section of fans or the other , it really is that simple , the club and the fans do not want to be at this level , it’s a tough gig and there’s very little patience unless your getting results and right at the sharp end competing for promotion every week of the season , it helped do for rosenior ( other reasons me be a factor too) and it could well do for warne within 4 or 5 games , we can bang on all we want about this ethos or that ethos on here but the truth is it’s all about results ,especially at a club like derby in this division 🤷🏻‍♂️

Obviously circumstances are never going to be exactly the same, but it doesn’t change the point that it takes time to recover.
Leeds and Southampton had their own problems, but equally they will have had privileges we have been without too.
Southampton signed Lambert for £1 million during their first summer in League 1, for instance and spent £3-4 million across two transfer windows in 2009-10.
Something we can only dream of, at present…
 

Obviously circumstances are never going to be exactly the same, but it doesn’t change the point that it takes time to recover.
Leeds and Southampton had their own problems, but equally they will have had privileges we have been without too.
Southampton signed Lambert for £1 million during their first summer in League 1, for instance and spent £3-4 million across two transfer windows in 2009-10.
Something we can only dream of, at present…
 

That’s what I’m starting to think.  I always like to give a manager time and we’re in a position of huge change and recovering from admin will take years, which was alluded to on Tuesday.  But I can appreciate others views.
I think there are two big periods coming up for Warne between the next 2 international breaks in October & November - I think we will have a break.  In the last break I said he has to get around 10 points to mid October.  After the 2nd break, if we’re not in or on the edges of the play-offs I could understand a change being made.  At that point a new manager would have 6 weeks or so to work with the squad and identify options for the January window.  Personally, I’d still stick with him.
Who would we have?  Well, that’s where I think Clowes and team need to set the strategy.  If it’s promotion at all cost, then you need a Warnock type.  If it’s rebuild the club and be involved from top to bottom, then it’s a Nigel Clough type.

What is my narrative? It’s not really about supporting Warne. I haven’t defended any of the performances so far this season. The results are a reflection of an unsettled and disjointed team. Believe me, a 500-mile round trip to see us look so ordinary v Wigan did nothing but set off massive alarm bells. 
My narrative is more about time and patience and not expecting too much too soon. If a new manager walked in tomorrow, I wouldn’t be expecting an immediate upshot either. I honestly don’t think this is a squad that is playing well below its ceiling, so what would a new manager who can only bring in free agents until January really affect?
We’ve all watched enough football to know that Warne is under pressure. Bad performances and bad results - it’s not the kind of marriage that can last, so Warne probably has 9-10 games to turn things around. Like him or not, that’s the harsh reality of football.
Personally I’d give him until the end of the season but I am not the one who makes those decisions. The question is then, what do we do if the new manager doesn’t hit the ground running?
I can understand your concerns but as you have said, you have been a long-time supporter for tens of years and you have seen the few highs and many lows. If you have got this far, why would you stop now?

I'm no fan of pw football either but roseniors was equally as tedious,perhaps even more,but in a different way.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

Brentford and Brighton are where they are after 10-15 years of gradual building. Bloom has been owner of Brighton since 2009 and Benham has been owner of Brentford since 2012 and has been an investor since 2007.
Yes, both clubs are great examples of how to get things right. But over that time period, they have had near misses and some highs and lows too. It hasn’t been completely smooth sailing but they have developed a club philosophy and stayed true to it and probably been able to because of the relatively low expectations.
Clowes has been owner of the club for just over a year so perhaps we need to be patient and understand that what Clowes is trying to build and trying to instil will take more than 12 months.
Perhaps a fairer comparison is other clubs who have come out of administration and bounced back from relegation?
It took Leeds three seasons to get promoted out of League 1 following administration and relegation. It took Southampton two seasons. Bolton suffered back to back relegations and are now into their fourth campaign in five in League 1.
Yes, the football isn’t great at the moment but the club is in recovery mode and perhaps we have to be realistic about those timescales. Expecting us to get promoted playing champagne football at this stage in our recovery is only something you might witness in a fairytale.
Stick with the club. Keep going to games when you can. Pain often comes before glory.

To be honest, these forums do little but leave those involved having what they said, what they didn’t say, what attire they wore and what beverage they consumed picked apart until anything of value is completely diminished.
Warne and the players shouldn’t be at these events. They should be fully focused on the weekend. The best message they can put out is three points and a good performance on Saturday.

To be honest, these forums do little but leave those involved having what they said, what they didn’t say, what attire they wore and what beverage they consumed picked apart until anything of value is completely diminished.
Warne and the players shouldn’t be at these events. They should be fully focused on the weekend. The best message they can put out is three points and a good performance on Saturday.

Has it not been mentioned? You’ll be telling me next that Sunaks parents were pharmacists 😂

Surely everyone (Warne supporters and Warne haters alike) must concede that it’s impossible to do any meaningful comparison between Warne and Rosenior when looking at results. Mainly because RL wasn’t in charge long enough (he may have gone on to achieve great things or, performances and results under him may have tailed off. We simply don’t know) but also because there are too many other variables including how the opposition performed on the day and what sort of form were they in (had the season been going long enough for them to have even established any real form?). It’s impossible to tell if PW would have started the season better or worse than LR, we’ll never know if we would have achieved the same unbeaten run under LR or if it would have continued longer. We’ll never know if, under LR our end of season form/results would have been worse, the same or better. 
In short, through no fault of either manager, we just can’t compare them or seriously suggest we would have done better or worse under the other manager.

Are the kind of young players we want attainable though?
All summer fans have suggested we sign Nombe, for example. In the end he goes to Rotherham for around £1 million. So perhaps there is a disparity between what we ideally want and what we can realistically get?
We’ve wasted our budget? How do we know? Surely it takes more than six games to reach such a conclusion?
This would be a good point if we were 30-35 games in and looked toast. What if this mystery player’s form dwindles and what if the players we signed instead begin to click and we shoot up the table? Would you still think the same?

Are the kind of young players we want attainable though?
All summer fans have suggested we sign Nombe, for example. In the end he goes to Rotherham for around £1 million. So perhaps there is a disparity between what we ideally want and what we can realistically get?
We’ve wasted our budget? How do we know? Surely it takes more than six games to reach such a conclusion?
This would be a good point if we were 30-35 games in and looked toast. What if this mystery player’s form dwindles and what if the players we signed instead begin to click and we shoot up the table? Would you still think the same?

Are the kind of young players we want attainable though?
All summer fans have suggested we sign Nombe, for example. In the end he goes to Rotherham for around £1 million. So perhaps there is a disparity between what we ideally want and what we can realistically get?
We’ve wasted our budget? How do we know? Surely it takes more than six games to reach such a conclusion?
This would be a good point if we were 30-35 games in and looked toast. What if this mystery player’s form dwindles and what if the players we signed instead begin to click and we shoot up the table? Would you still think the same?

Apart from Burton, Fleetwood and Peterborough.