CBX1985

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

God no. Get it over with ASAP. I really don't get this desire for a mad, stressful, day against Carlisle. Id rather be turning up knowing we're up and having a bloody lovely time of it.

It would be a party in the (Pride) Park.  
"ole" will ring out with every pass.  There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.  

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 
  

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
 
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  
Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thank you Shrews! 

Congrats to Pompey as well, they deserve it.

FULL TIME! 2-2
G'wan Shrewsbury!

Not entirely unrealistic, the Wigan game shouldn't be too bad but the Lincoln game is very tough.

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 
  

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
 
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  
Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I remember doing that years ago, for similar reasons.  Ossie End Lower tier, surrounded by Wolves.
A truly awful experience.  (Absolutely no idea what the score was, or even the year!)

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 
  

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
 
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  
Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:
 
"he's only here for the money"
"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"
"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"
"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"
"I don't like his sense of humour".
"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"
 

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.
Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.
 

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.
Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.
 

Sometimes a manager comes into a club and doesn’t like a player, or doesn’t play to their strengths, or the player themselves isn’t settled or quite right or ready for that league at that time or isn’t fit etc etc. Just because they didn’t play at their previous clubs doesn’t mean they can’t succeed for us, players progress and develop as much as decline and falter.
Catastrophising our prospects next season before we’ve even got the job done this season always seems odd to me. I recommend living in the moment and enjoying the ride of these last 2 games, then we can get on with worrying about what happens next 😁 

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.
Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.
 

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.
Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.