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18 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Ramtique 2 the relaunch.

It was a poor joke, but I don't believe anyone knows much other than is what is publicly available.

3 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I like guessing games, give us some clues

Hot off the press:

Jill and Margaret to join the catering staff; Tom to work in the shop; Jack joins as a new groundsman.

1 hour ago, Macintosh said:

I remember a fair portion of fans on here in favour of the club going bust and starting in the lower divisions (I wasn't one of them), but except for paying a huge amount of money for our club and I am not a Clowes fan yet, I need persuading. I never was of the Americans either, nor Webb, or Gadsby. I was sad to see Rosenior pushed, and Wassall too, bemused by both decisions that have never been communicated to fans. I am so disappointed to see McGoldrick leave. I am reading into it that we would not offer him a two-year contact.

Not finding a sponsor and that awful shirt design too didn't thrill me. The January transfer window could not have been more disappointing. Money-wise David Clowes's personal wealth is around £250m, family-wise considerably more – on par with Gibson at Boro – so I will be disappointed if we don't spend something, a few bob, and show ambition to get out of this league asap. I'm hoping that to attract Warne he gave him promises that the cheque book would be dusted off. It's ages since we paid a fee for a player and that was £11,000 to Dungannon Swifts.

He paid the money to rescue them; he did not do it to be a sugar daddy - literally no one else was willing to do it for other than pennies on the pound with the commensurate costs that would entail.  I don't think spending a few bob on players is Clowes style - he will want the club to run on its own income, which should always have been the case.  

He makes the decisions because he bought the club.  It is that simple.  

We have no idea what McGoldrick was offered.  He might have decided he wanted to join Notts County irrespective of what was offered: he, too, is a millionaire who can afford that choice.  They had just got promoted, so might have fancied the challenge of playing for the team he is a fan of and started his career at.  He had no remaining contract so was free to do as he wanted.

Just now, alram said:

easier said than done

 

he wont make money on the club until its in the championship and when its in the championship he will have to write out a cheque every month to cover the losses.

 

you cant really run a championship club with your brain unless you want to become a yoyo club between league one and the championship which i am sure none of us do including clowes.

He won't make money on the club unless it becomes a Premiership club.  The difficulty is doing that is you have two options: slow, steady and hope for bit of luck or bet the farm. The latter is easier, but we have seen the risks of missing out.  

I agree that Championship is an awful league financially.  I don't see Clowes as wanting to sell now he has paid over the odds (to avoid the issues of not).  A long term strategy is what is needed - but one that is sustainable.  I think we are at the very grassroots of that strategy. 

2 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Interesting reading all the rumours about players being linked and liking to be missing out on supposedly. 
 

I look at Alfie may as an example and Charlton have agreed a fee and looks to be we haven’t competed with a bid. 
 

Wondering if maybe our business plan will hamper us again this season with players still in contract as Leigh Curtis has stated we can pay moderate transfer fees. Are we being priced out of deals or is it clowes just doesn’t want to spend money and will only look at loans and frees as he reluctantly brought us in the first place or are we just circling round at the moment waiting to see what’s out there. 
 

in regards to players on free transfers maybe they are getting told they are getting guaranteed football at other teams and like warne said he won’t guarantee anyone anything.

still get the feeling we are waiting for bids in for players like bird knight and sibley etc to recoup money to spend in the window but apart from knight haven’t even seen a made up rumour regards to the other two but still early days yet and window opens in a few days and hopefully we will see movement 

I think Clowes is a businessman.  He bought the club with his heart, but he will run it with his brain.

All spending needs to be worth it and balanced.  I don't see him wanting to make cash injections.  I suspect DC wants the club to break even on it's own regard - leaving him with an asset (club and ground), that should we get a promotion will increase in value.  

6 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Signing a 29 year old to an 18 month contract would potentially see them leave in the January transfer window of the 24/25 season for free, doesn’t make much business sense to me. A 24 month contract on the other hand…

I suspect the comment was more general, i.e. signing a 29 year old in January on 18 month deal.  I agree with your point, otherwise.  

13 hours ago, Macintosh said:

I'd have been happy if he could have scored 15 goals next season – that would have been a big ask. The downside was his home-to-away ratio, I think it ended up something like 20/5. Sad there is no farewell, just the Wednesday game as an au revoir to several, the bitter taste that left.

So far, so bad, Curtis Davies released, McGoldrick choosing Notts over us, Roberts off to Bristol, Knight having many suitors. I really don't want to read about Warne selling the club to potential players, what a great guy he is, that you get a free mug. That never worked in the last transfer window.

We had Rooney as manager, and Lampard.  They had great pull bring people in but were ruinously expensive themselves.  We moved - in my view, rightly - in a different direction: one of being sustainable.

Is Warne as much of a pull as either of those, or who else Morris would have employed?  No.  Once you go for a more normal manager - i.e. not a Champions League winner - then you have to accept you are not going to gain the pull of someone who is.  But, we are not likely to go bust again by doing this.

On the other matters.  We took people like DM on one year deals; others on loan spells.  The risk of that is always they leave at the end of the season to meet their own priorities for that (we would love if a world class player was a fan of ours and instead of finishing their career early, or at a smaller Premier League club, they dipped to play for us - kudos to DM for that).   Or because they play so well someone higher wants them (back).

Alternately, we could sign players on five year deals that get crocked and we have years paying them off holding us back - ala Bielek.  

We nearly didn't have a club twelve months ago.  Clowes bought the club despite never wanting that position.  If he thinks Warne is the man for the job that is good enough for me: he has certainly paid for his right to make the call.

Just now, Millenniumram said:

Another player to turn Warne down

The "another player" joins Pele, Bale, Ronaldo, Rivaldo having not signed for Warne.  It is a disgrace - 99.999% of professional footballers have not signed for Warne.  

2 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

It's sometimes got a whiff of entitlement to it in my view. Every time any player that has been tenuously connected with us looks like they are off somewhere else there's people (not just in here, but amongst our fans in general) pouncing on it like there wont be any players left by the end of June, and that Derby have some divine right to be front of the queue at this level purely because we are Derby.

Doesn't work like that.

Indeed.  As though players should see any offer we make as akin to them playing for Rochdale and being asked transfer and lead the attack for Barcelona.  

We are a big club for our division, but there are bigger clubs out there.  Everyone has there own objectives for who they play for; players are human - they sometimes want to be close to family, shorter commute, get offered perks or benefits.  Multi millionaires have less need to be money driven.

We want people who want to be here and are reasonable.  Some will leave because we are not/no longer a good fit.  Some will come for the converse.  Panicking in the transfer market is what got us into trouble.  If players are too expensive, unfit, or unmotivated we are better off with someone else.  

Hourihane, I think, will want to finish his two years.  

3 minutes ago, David said:

If Hourihane isn't here come the start of the season, it would not be the end of the world.

Likewise with McGoldrick. 

Players come and go, that's football, little point in getting emotionally attached to any player.

If you want to grab the pitch fork over Hourihane taking on a part time coaching role at Villa, go for it, each to their own.

I find it astonishing.  There was the same thing about Rooney leaving as manager last year.

It is the same as any work place - no one is indispensable.   

27 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

It’s a bit like when the pope visited Paris and a reporter asked him if he would be visiting any strip clubs, the pope replied “ I didn’t know there were strip clubs in Paris, are there strip clubs in Paris”

The headline in the newspaper the next day states… Pope touches down at Paris airport, kisses the tarmac and asks, Are there any strip clubs in Paris.

I worked at a video shop a long way back.  I remember we used to get all the film magazines provided to us to have a look at what was coming up. 

One film was reviewed as "quite simply the worst film of the year".  It was heralded on the back of the box as "...Film of the year", says Empire.

12 minutes ago, alram said:

its completely different. he is working for another football club, if he wants a job coaching in the evening it should be here.

 

its another red flag in a summer of red flags so far

What green flags could we receive when the window is closed?

We had a team made up of one and two year deals.  Flux was guarenteed this summer.  The other side of the coin is you have players on five year deals surplus to requirements that might not sell or just want to take  the pay cheque and do nothing.  

A competitive team will be put out one way or another.  Who those players will be we don't know.  We are there to support whoever is put out on the park.  Our position was much worse this time last year.

10 hours ago, Ambitious said:

Hourihane was one you would expect to be here come rain or shine next season, a contributor late into his career who still provided moments on quality along the season. It still sounds like that will be the case, albeit with an unconvincing twang. 

It will all shape up over the next couple of months, but it's making me think we will be seeing some surprises on the horizon. 

It sounds like he likes the coaching job he's been offered.

But, he has a contract and it will cost to get out of it - I doubt any club is going to pay to break that for an under 16s coaching role.  Therefore, I suspect he plays down his contract and then goes into coaching.  

On 04/06/2023 at 17:58, Rambalin said:

I am fed up with these international managers sticking their nose into club affairs that do not concern them. 

If they feel the player should be playing at a higher level then keep it between the player and themselves,  it is not obviously affecting his performance levels or he would not select him. 

I hate international football in general.

Players are paid by a club.  They are given permission to have an occasional jolly to play at International Level. International football should not get to call the shots - they do not pay the bills.  

14 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

you should start that thread. I dont think KB would feature 

He's not a bad player in the round, and should have some sympathy.  But his fee amount had a major impact on nearly bankrupting the club.  Not all his fault - you can't blame him for a) Mel Morris being prepared to sign him at inflated rates b) him getting injured.

But for sheer damage of one signing in isolation, he is hard to parallel.  

7 hours ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

Also not sure why he'd be driving to Pride Park to say his goodbyes. Unless he's saying goodbye to the staff at the club shop 

No, it was the groundsman.

Whilst they should identify themselves and who they support, not sure why anyone would be against other fans "invading" a forum.  Not a big fan of "safe spaces", personally.  

Why fans of other clubs would want to visit a Derby site is beyond me, though.

On 02/06/2023 at 10:06, Gerry Daly said:

I think there are pro's and cons to the argument either way. However what is clear is we just need him moving on so that we can move on  

Indeed.  Due to the effect he had on our finances he is arguably one of the worst signings in English football history.  

5 hours ago, Srg said:

Ah yes, League1news22... that bastion of verified journalism.

Indeed.  But to be fair, The Times or Four Four Two magazine wouldn't know much better.

Journos get their stories from players agents who half the time are using it to inflate the prices of their product.  DM doesn't, by all accounts, use an agent but acts for himself.  Therefore, either he is talking to journalists or journalists, and others, are speculating what he might be thinking.

He is a Notts County fan so screeches to logic that should he not sign here he'd sign there.  Story made.

4 hours ago, vonwright said:

Ah, come on. Davies was the last manager to get us promoted to the Premier League, and when he got there found out a) he didn't have the squad or the tactics to compete and b) there wasn't any money to buy better players.

Yes we were awful that year, and yes Davies didn't exactly cover himself in glory with some of the things he said when he left.

But he isn't a worse Derby manager than Nigel Pearson.

 

I think Davies did miraculously - getting promoted that year was astonishing.  But as you say, he didn't have the players - and having a mid table side for Championship playing Premier League sides week in week out (rather than cup ties, where you can grind out a one-off victory) the outcome was inevitable.  

I think, notwithstanding his weird off the pitch scandal, we could do worse than to have made him manager for our current travails.  

On 18/05/2023 at 20:18, Stive Pesley said:

This is weird - I thought you were talking about Derby vs Southampton in 2001 when Youl Mawene scored a very similar goal, albeit he tapped it in, he wasn't the one who hoofed it in the air

Always remember that one, as it was the first game I took my eldest lad to

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=628054554733491

I was thinking of that one.  I think it was on Question of Sport "what happened next.  Really freak goal.

How lovely it is not to have to worry about whether there will be a club to buy a season ticket for this year.

2 hours ago, Bwash_Ram said:

All done, bloody parking pass was a bit steep, cost me 600 sheets all in with my seat, plus another 50 for a shirt no doubt.

ahh well COYR

I park in an industrial estate next to the college building next to PP.  £5 per game.  I get out much quicker than the Season Ticket holder next to me who parks in the stadium and I wait until the end, rather than leaving with ten mins to spare.

Having renewed, cannot wait for new season.  Saturday afternoons are not the same in the summer.

On 12/05/2023 at 08:12, Tamworthram said:

Nah. Not for me. Your captain doesn’t have to be your best player. It needs to be someone with the right personality to lead the team through communication and guidance rather than by example. I love McG to bits and think he probably does have these attributes but perhaps not strong enough to be captain. If he stays at the club I’d rather he continued to focus on his own wizardry rather than leading the team.

I agree with others, our new captain probably isn’t at the club yet.

Exactly so.  He has a job to do as tallisman/playmaker.  Giving him extra responsibilities would be counter productive. 

18 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Didn't we also need to create 100* chances under Rosenior to score goals, just as we have needed to do under Warne?

We've not been clinical enough and the small squad looked tired at times as the season progressed.  I personally think the biggest hurdle  we faced was the EFLs financial restrictions, other clubs around us strengthened during the Winter transfer window whereas we couldn't bring anyone in - ultimately leaving us short. 

*maybe a slight exaggeration, although didn't feel like it at times 😛 

And, unless restrictions are removed, it will be the same 23/24.  This was always going to be a tough year from where we were.  

The middle of the season was magical, but the start and finish have been today in a nutshell - refereeing decisions and mistakes, alongside missing chances leaving us short. Today was the season in one game.