Grumpy Git Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Anyone think Marroitt has basically never been fit since he arrived? Maybe the recent surgery will put an end to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He's said he wants Martin to stay. As for who is first choice, well he isn't this season but so what. I know he has. But my point is that if Martin is expecting starter wages and that’s not Cocu’s plan then he ain’t going to accept is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Srg said: I know he has. But my point is that if Martin is expecting starter wages and that’s not Cocu’s plan then he ain’t going to accept is he? Why would he expect 'starter wages' when he's not been, as you put it, first choice (I presume that's what you mean by 'starter')? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Why would he expect 'starter wages' when he's not been, as you put it, first choice (I presume that's what you mean by 'starter')? Because he will be on more money now, and if we are asking him to drop down to what we consider a back up level of salary, that could be too much for him. You see, Cocu, shockingly, didn’t pick his current wage. Your Martin bias is clouding a very simple concept here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I would expect Martin to hold out for the wage he (or his agent) believes he can get from another club). He has a risk if he plays too hard ball that he ends up in Joe Ledley land clubless and having to take what he can at low end champ club (on less than Derby offer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Srg said: Or Martin wants assurances of his playing time, and Cocu wants another striker. Our limitations he said that would suggest we haven’t got much to offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Srg said: Your Martin bias is clouding a very simple concept here. No your Martin bias is. ? Cocu wants him to stay, Martin will be aware of what current contracts are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Topram said: Sounds like we can’t even afford to keep Martin yet we need a good 4/5 new players this window... great Maybe we can’t afford to keep Martin because we need a good 4/5 players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: He's said he wants Martin to stay. As for who is first choice, well he isn't this season but so what. Yep but the question is how much does he want him to stay ? He wanted huddlestone to stay too but maybe we are seeing the beginning s of more realistic wages being the order of the day? all I know is we certainly have paid out a big poo load of wages to players who weren’t able to gain a starting 11 spot let alone a regular starting 11 spot ,,, no reflection on Martin or Hudds but it’s an issue the club desperately needed to get in order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: Anyone think Marroitt has basically never been fit since he arrived? Maybe the recent surgery will put an end to this? Yep he’s had a 5 iron surgically removed from his left hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Archied said: all I know is we certainly have paid out a big poo load of wages to players who weren’t able to gain a starting 11 spot let alone a regular starting 11 spot ,,, no reflection on Martin or Hudds but it’s an issue the club desperately needed to get in order I agree, but there's a difference between paying big wages for Anya and paying for Hudds. We've struggled to get it right. I don't know how much, but I would imagine in Martin's case/stage of career it more likely comes down to how many years. Fozzy got two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 He’s been given an opportunity to stay but obviously on reduced money now if he can get a better deal elsewhere he may well move on, it’s his choice but he will never be as successful as he has been at Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The problem will be the wage/contract length. I’d imagine Martin would have already signed up if we offered him close to what he’s on now or his initial demand. We have our budget for his wages which I suspect are way below what he wants and he’ll have his min expectations. This has rumbled on for a while so there’s clearly a fair gap between the two......same goes for Hudds. The next couple of years are going to be a wake up call for many footballers outside the Prem. Wage budgets are being slashed and squads are being streamlined. Where this will leave Martin is up to him, he can walk away and try his luck elsewhere but I can’t see him getting as good a wage given the current financial climate, the situation with his health and the fact that he’s not an in demand player. I hope he stays but good luck to him if he goes, I fear he may need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: I agree, but there's a difference between paying big wages for Anya and paying for Hudds. We've struggled to get it right. I don't know how much, but I would imagine in Martin's case/stage of career it more likely comes down to how many years. Fozzy got two. Whether it be Anya/ hudds or a matter of years offered/ wanted it still comes down to the same principle, cocu will have a budget to work to and although he may like to keep Martin the question is how much does he want to keep him versus the impact on his budget , in our fanbase we range from Martin being vital to keep to those that want him moved on no matter what , my guess is cocu falls somewhere in the middle of that range ( as I do) so won’t please all no matter how it pans out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Archied said: my guess is cocu falls somewhere in the middle of that range ( as I do) so won’t please all no matter how it pans out You can please some of the people some of the time, ... #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Did anybody notice Chris's demeanour and body language against Leeds? He was even pretty po-faced after scoring against the Dirties. Does this suggest that he feels he is at the end of the road at Derby? An added observation is that his 12 goals have come in 37 games, so even at the age of 32, and even though he has pnly been a bit-part player for us this season, he is still achieving a scoring rate of 1 in 3, which is a figure you expect from the top, top strikers. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 55 minutes ago, DavesaRam said: Did anybody notice Chris's demeanour and body language against Leeds? He was even pretty po-faced after scoring against the Dirties. Does this suggest that he feels he is at the end of the road at Derby? Yeah, there's bits on other threads. Another poster said but see how annoyed he was when he messed up that shot near the end of the game. It was an odd game with nowt really to play for, but... And yes his stats are still right up their and his skills are a joy to watch. That pass to Sibley ? and the other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 ps he's not 32 until 4th November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xlor Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 14/07/2020 at 22:02, RoyMac5 said: Dear me, and with Marriott or Waghorn it will be different? Oh btw the never score a lot of goals is very funny. #TwitterTroll Twitter troll? We wont/dont score with him up top. I've seen more movement in a tramps vest. Waste of resources if he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Xlor said: Twitter troll? We wont/dont score with him up top. Lol. You are aware of his scoring record this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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