admira Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 With the Rams looking so poorly after last seasons magnificent efforts, I thought I'd take a look how previous Championship play off finalists have fared in the season after losing. The average finishing position of these teams since 2000 is 9th. Four teams have gone up automatically (Norwich,. West Brom, Reading and Boro), two have got relegated (Barnsley and Leeds) and five found themselves back in the play offs. Teams generally finish in the top half (14 from 20). Season Team Position 2000-01 Barnsley 23rd 2001-02 Preston 12th 2002-03 Norwich 1st 2003-04 Sheffield United 8th 2004-05 West Ham 6th 2005-06 Preston 4th 2006-07 Leeds 24th 2007-08 West Brom 1st 2008-09 Bristol City 10th 2009-10 Sheffield United 8th 2010-11 Cardiff 4th 2011-12 Reading 1st 2012-13 Blackpool 15th 2013-14 Watford 13th 2014-15 Derby 8th 2015-16 Middlesbrough 2nd 2016-17 Sheffield Wednesday 4th 2017-18 Reading 20th 2018-19 Aston Villa 5th 2019-20 Derby 20th * * Current position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I presume all those positions are where they finished? Wouldn't tell you much though, like how Villa finished 5th but were about where we are now at this point in that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: I presume all those positions are where they finished? Yes, as per topic title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalsheep02 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: I presume all those positions are where they finished? Wouldn't tell you much though, like how Villa finished 5th but were about where we are now at this point in that season. 9th with 37 points after 25 games, a bit better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, admira said: Yes, as per topic title It is far too early to be taking in all the content displayed! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: I presume all those positions are where they finished? Wouldn't tell you much though, like how Villa finished 5th but were about where we are now at this point in that season. We are basically in the opposite position to Villa. Villa were only 5 points off the playoffs at this time last season and 15 away from the relegation spots. We are 12 points off the playoffs and 6 points off the relegation zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, GenBr said: We are basically in the opposite position to Villa. Villa were only 5 points off the playoffs at this time last season and 15 away from the relegation spots. We are 12 points off the playoffs and 6 points off the relegation zone. Villa also only had 1 win in 14 go into our meeting with them in March and were further off the play offs of memory serves me right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalsheep02 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Villa also only had 1 win in 14 go into our meeting with them in March and were further off the play offs of memory serves me right 2 in 14 followed by 10 straight wins. Derby are like the A-Team when it comes to turning a struggling teams fortunes around. That run may have coincided with Grealish coming back from injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Villa also only had 1 win in 14 go into our meeting with them in March and were further off the play offs of memory serves me right They were 8 points from the playoffs just before they gave us a 4-0 pasting in March. After they beat us it was 6 points and they then proceeded to win 10 games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, metalsheep02 said: 2 in 14 followed by 10 straight wins. Derby are like the A-Team when it comes to turning a struggling teams fortunes around. That run may have coincided with Grealish coming back from injury? we could do with Mr T in midfield and up front and in defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Interesting those stats really. Obviously after falling at the final hurdle, most teams the following season would be hoping to go once better and get the promotion in the end. But history shows how difficult it is, with most teams actually regressing and not progressing. Mind, even by those standards, our season so far is ducking awful. Still, if we carry on we might finish bottom and have enough (joint) record! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramboy63 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: Interesting those stats really. Obviously after falling at the final hurdle, most teams the following season would be hoping to go once better and get the promotion in the end. But history shows how difficult it is, with most teams actually regressing and not progressing. Mind, even by those standards, our season so far is ducking awful. Still, if we carry on we might finish bottom and have enough (joint) record! Correct yes you can juggle facts and figures around until they look better than they really are,one thing really interesting is Leeds going down after losing a play off final,lets hope we dont think we are to big a club to have the same fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Interesting. Also worth noting that only Reading and us are on the list twice. Would expect some others in 19 years but I guess it goes to show how hard it is to be consistently good in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, ramboy63 said: Correct yes you can juggle facts and figures around until they look better than they really are,one thing really interesting is Leeds going down after losing a play off final,lets hope we dont think we are to big a club to have the same fate Of course, but still, it’s not the sort of stats you’d really expect to see. The last point is a very important one, no club is too big to go down. poo players are poo players, whether they play for a big club or not. And if you have poo players, then you’re gonna go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So it’s very scatter gun then - it rather depends on who a club loses and has to sell and who the club can afford and attract to the club - finances and luck play a huge part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Dimmu said: Interesting. Also worth noting that only Reading and us are on the list twice. Would expect some others in 19 years but I guess it goes to show how hard it is to be consistently good in this league. Or, how you don't need to be consistent to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Dimmu said: Interesting. Also worth noting that only Reading and us are on the list twice. Would expect some others in 19 years but I guess it goes to show how hard it is to be consistently good in this league. Preston and Sheff Utd on there twice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Or, how you don't need to be consistent to get promoted. All takes me back to what I said at the start of this season, as long as you don't get relegated, where you finish outside the top 2 has little bearing on how you will do the next season. Equally, you can get promoted by just having one good run and being average/ crap the rest of the time. It is impressive how consistent we have been, but we now see the cost of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Preston and Sheff Utd on there twice too. Yep, my middlename is Hawk-Eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Dimmu said: Interesting. Also worth noting that only Reading and us are on the list twice. Would expect some others in 19 years but I guess it goes to show how hard it is to be consistently good in this league. Nobody has been in this league for more seasons than us and nobody has appeared in more Championship playoff campaigns than us. Coincidentally nobody has failed in the playoffs more times than us either. If we we are going to be in this league forever the least we could do is dominate this list. (which we have failed at as well.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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