Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, maxjam said: That remains to be seen but leaving is looking increasingly unlikely unless UKIP/Brexit Party win enough votes to apply pressure again. Mate IMO it’s unfortunately a lost fight now which I’m sad about. We will remain in the EU as the reamainiacs have seen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, maxjam said: - and the government wanted us to remain in the EU when giving us the referendum as well. Then they ran election campaigns saying they would honour the leave result. Be certain - put the 'deal' (and 'no deal', if you wish) to the British public and ask them if that's what they wanted, you know, once the speculative unicorns have been put aside. After all, the referendum was nearly 3 years ago, so surely all the arguments about the benefits to Britain and the general British public of leaving the EU have had more than enough time by now to sink in and to convince we Europhiles of the errors in our thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Working time directive. Was that the thing that stopped us working overtime. https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Curtains said: You don’t think the EU runs us already then I suggest they do and are aiming for even more power. Remember the working time directive. Damned Europe - forcing us to have holiday pay, stopping people being forced to work more than 48 hours a week over a 4 month average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, eddie said: You do know what 'speculative' means, don't you? "Engaged in, expressing, or based on conjecture rather than knowledge" Conjecture, rather than knowledge - no change there then. I could speculate that we are all going to have pet unicorns after we leave the EU, but it takes a particular level of craziness to believe it. Yes you are speculating the EU will suddenly become a success. Well that’s worked well so far hasn’t it The EU is a busted flush already IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, eddie said: Be certain - put the 'deal' (and 'no deal', if you wish) to the British public and ask them if that's what they wanted, you know, once the speculative unicorns have been put aside. After all, the referendum was nearly 3 years ago, so surely all the arguments about the benefits to Britain and the general British public of leaving the EU have had more than enough time by now to sink in and to convince we Europhiles of the errors in our thinking. I'm all for a second referendum now (leave/remain) as it would hopefully stop some of the anger thats brewing. BUT only if it was presented in an independent manner and if you vote leave you also get to answer a second Mays Deal/No deal question enabling the government to actually act on the outcome should leave win again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Curtains said: We will remain in the EU as the reamainiacs have seen to that. Actually, the hard right have caused this, as they wanted a hard brexit, and no way was that going to happen, even the EU wouldn't let it happen, otherwise we would be out on our arse today. Your mates in ERG, through lies, deceit and a failed power grab, have steered the UK away from a hard brexit. People want the best deal for the UK, the best deal is to put it to the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, eddie said: Damned Europe - forcing us to have holiday pay, stopping people being forced to work more than 48 hours a week over a 4 month average Wow people complaining they couldn’t earn enough money was the moan at the time the EU ruled us over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, McRamFan said: Actually, the hard right have caused this, as they wanted a hard brexit, and no way was that going to happen, even the EU wouldn't let it happen, otherwise we would be out on our arse today. Your mates in ERG, through lies, deceit and a failed power grab, have steered the UK away from a hard brexit. People want the best deal for the UK, the best deal is to put it to the people. No the remainer Parliament has caused this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, McRamFan said: Actually, the hard right have caused this, as they wanted a hard brexit, and no way was that going to happen, even the EU wouldn't let it happen, otherwise we would be out on our arse today. Your mates in ERG, through lies, deceit and a failed power grab, have steered the UK away from a hard brexit. People want the best deal for the UK, the best deal is to put it to the people. And then revoke That’s fine you have what you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, eddie said: You do know what 'speculative' means, don't you? "Engaged in, expressing, or based on conjecture rather than knowledge" Conjecture, rather than knowledge - no change there then. I could speculate that we are all going to have pet unicorns after we leave the EU, but it takes a particular level of craziness to believe it. The ultimate goal of the EU is to unite Europe eventually through ever closer integration. It may not be a United States of Europe in the American model, but it won't be many disparate independent countries as it is now. In fact the only way it will ever really happen is if we leave and take our veto with us. It would certainly remove one of the major hurdles to a united European army for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Curtains said: No the remainer Parliament has caused this . Wrong. ERG voted against May. Hard brexiteers voted against May's deal. Go look at the results, and who voted which way, instead of just making up unicorn facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound 2 tease Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Curtains said: Working time directive. Was that the thing that stopped us working overtime. https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours third sentence "You can choose to work more by opting out of the 48-hour week." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, eddie said: Damned Europe - forcing us to have holiday pay, stopping people being forced to work more than 48 hours a week over a 4 month average The 48 hours thing doesnt work. Many larger companies get you to sign a piece of paper waiving that right. I dont know if its even legal for them to do that, but i have had to refuse to sign the waiver previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Bound 2 tease said: third sentence "You can choose to work more by opting out of the 48-hour week." Only if your employer will allow that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Wrong. ERG voted against May. Hard brexiteers voted against May's deal. Go look at the results, and who voted which way, instead of just making up unicorn facts. It’s irrelevant now. We are in the EU still and it’s costing us 382 Million pounds a day in contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Curtains said: It’s irrelevant now. We are in the EU still and it’s costing us 382 Million pounds a day in contributions. Liar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Curtains said: It’s irrelevant now. We are in the EU still and it’s costing us 382 Million pounds a day in contributions. Wrong, again, get your facts right please, and stop believing what you see on the side of a bus. Unicorn facts strike again. It is just under £25m a day https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, GenBr said: The ultimate goal of the EU is to unite Europe eventually through ever closer integration. It may not be a United States of Europe in the American model, but it won't be many disparate independent countries as it is now. In fact the only way it will ever really happen is if we leave and take our veto with us. It would certainly remove one of the major hurdles to a united European army for example. Lets not forget... or this article if you don't want to watch an old UKIP video! https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, eddie said: Liar 39 Billion over 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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