RamNut Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Prior to Brexit, commentators and politicians were expressing fears that there was a general antipathy and lack of interest in political issues. they were bemoaning how bad it was for democracy. There were concerns about the low turn out in general elections and bi-elections, with more than third of registered voters not bothering to vote. And younger voters were the least likely to vote. The ekderly and the senile were the most likely to vote. All of which supports my theory that you don't have to be mad to vote, but it helps. And this impression is reinforced by the fact that - in England - about 70% of the over 70s vote Tory. As your brain deteriorates you are more motivated to vote, and more motivated to vote Tory. Its like a Mad Cow disease. The retirees and the elderly are a danger to themselves and others. But even 1 in 5 younger people suffer this unfortunate condition too. Really they should all have their car keys confiscated whenever there is an election is in the offing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 hours ago, GboroRam said: Explain how. With citations. Go on then. Express Dec 2017 Brexiteer Tory MP Andrew Bridgen said: “When the EU is having to continually investigate itself it suggests all is not well in Jean-Claude Juncker’s federalised fantasy land. "Thank goodness we’re leaving this busted flush of a bloc behind.” The fraud office courted controversy when it refused requests to release a report relating to the 2015 VW “dieselgate” scandal. VW had received a £350million loan from the EU’s bank to develop emission-reducing efficiencies, but was found to have cheated. It later emerged the EU knew about the scandal but kept silent until US regulators acted. All I typed in was EU BUSTED FLUSH. This kind of proves that you can counteract any argument by finding something to back it up very easily. No ones mind is going to be changed here. Perhaps you could find a story by typing in FARAGES BREXIT SAUSAGES and see what comes up on Brexit roulette. Let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Curtains said: The idea was to leave the EU wasn’t it. You want to stay in I want to leave. I wanted to stay. But after the vote, though unhappy with the result. I accepted we were leaving and I'd go along with it providing it came with all those wonderful things that all the major leave campaigners said we could have. As May's deal and the no deal options give us none of the good things the brexiteers claimed leaving would bring. I think another referendum should be called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, 1of4 said: I wanted to stay. But after the vote, though unhappy with the result. I accepted we were leaving and I'd go along with it providing it came with all those wonderful things that all the major leave campaigners said we could have. As May's deal and the no deal options give us none of the good things the brexiteers claimed leaving would bring. I think another referendum should be called for. Perhaps we could just go back to this. Obviously there may be a bit of turning the map around and it would be Brussels rather than Copenhagen ruling but I made my decision and am happy with it. No more referendums thanks. The Danelaw (/ˈdeɪnˌlɔː/, also known as the Danelagh; Old English: Dena lagu;[1] Danish: Danelagen), as recorded in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, is a historical name given to the part of England in which the laws of the Danes held sway[2] and dominated those of the Anglo-Saxons. Danelaw contrasts with West Saxon law and Mercian law. The term is first recorded in the early 11th century as Dena lage.[3] Modern historians have extended the term to a geographical designation. The areas that constituted the Danelaw lie in northern and eastern England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I'm particularly looking forward to all the adequate food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Curtains said: How would a citation be applicable to an opinion So you just "think" the EU is a busted flush based on an opinion, nothing concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, GboroRam said: So you just "think" the EU is a busted flush based on an opinion, nothing concrete. Oh go on then https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15472794.the-eurozone-is-a-busted-flush-letter/ CHRISTIAN VASSIE’S vision of Europe would seem to be of a weak, vacillating Britain negotiating from a position of weakness, and a strong, virile European Union negotiating from a position of strength. So let’s examine the facts. The Eurozone is a busted flush held together by German financial muscle and largesse. Portugal, Spain and Italy are walking a financial tightrope. Greece is effectively bankrupt with no chance whatsoever of ever being able to pay back billions of loans to German and French banks. And what vision of the EU do the bureaucrats of Brussels have for the future? Tentative accession discussions with Turkey, Ukraine, Macedonia and Albania. What? Turkey isn’t even in Europe. Is the EU going to become a political version of the Eurovision Song Contest? Just imagine the EU’s borders would now be Syria, Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Georgia and Russia. What do they say on the end of the Crimewatch TV programme after they’ve frightened the life out of you? Try not to lose too much sleep. Remember this during Brexit negotiations. Just because it’s a rocky road doesn’t mean it’s the wrong road. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 This twitter threads is majestic. Never realised how this Simpsons episode from 25 years ago was so prescient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Curtains said: Oh go on then https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15472794.the-eurozone-is-a-busted-flush-letter/ CHRISTIAN VASSIE’S vision of Europe would seem to be of a weak, vacillating Britain negotiating from a position of weakness, and a strong, virile European Union negotiating from a position of strength. So let’s examine the facts. The Eurozone is a busted flush held together by German financial muscle and largesse. Portugal, Spain and Italy are walking a financial tightrope. Greece is effectively bankrupt with no chance whatsoever of ever being able to pay back billions of loans to German and French banks. And what vision of the EU do the bureaucrats of Brussels have for the future? Tentative accession discussions with Turkey, Ukraine, Macedonia and Albania. What? Turkey isn’t even in Europe. Is the EU going to become a political version of the Eurovision Song Contest? Just imagine the EU’s borders would now be Syria, Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Georgia and Russia. What do they say on the end of the Crimewatch TV programme after they’ve frightened the life out of you? Try not to lose too much sleep. Remember this during Brexit negotiations. Just because it’s a rocky road doesn’t mean it’s the wrong road. Be careful what you wish for. Looks like another opinion. No statistics, no evidence, nothing to back up an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Looks like another opinion. No statistics, no evidence, nothing to back up an opinion. Yes that’s right Hence why give a citation about a personal opinion as you asked for No one person is right or wrong . Just because you cite something doesn’t mean it’s correct it could be Fake News like the 39 Billion over 3 years before rebate given to the EU by the UK could be . Wasn't the REBATE negotiated by Margaret Thatcher ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: Yes that’s right Hence why give a citation about a personal opinion as you asked for No one person is right or wrong . Just because you cite something doesn’t mean it’s correct it could be Fake News like the 39 Billion over 3 years before rebate given to the EU by the UK could be . Wasn't the REBATE negotiated by Margaret Thatcher ! Honestly I can't be bothered to discuss with you as its all opinions without facts, and you're prepared to ignore facts presented as fake news. Enjoy your elephant, when it comes. May realises the choice is between political suicide and economic suicide, or her deal which is probably both. It'll be dragged out as long as possible, because nobody wants to be the PM who caused any of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Curtains said: CHRISTIAN VASSIE’S A nobody https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8732980.christian-vassie-suspended-by-liberal-democrats-in-york/ 1 hour ago, Curtains said: Turkey isn’t even in Europe. Yes it is, it is a transcontinental country. According to this convention, the Russian Federation, the Republic of Turkey, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia have territory both in Europe and in Asia. This tool is a bit of a thicko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, McRamFan said: A nobody https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8732980.christian-vassie-suspended-by-liberal-democrats-in-york/ Yes it is, it is a transcontinental country. According to this convention, the Russian Federation, the Republic of Turkey, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia have territory both in Europe and in Asia. This tool is a bit of a thicko. 17.4 Million wanted to leave obviously old racist fools right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Curtains said: How would a citation be applicable to an opinion It seems that your forecast if impending economic disaster across the EU may be based upon your own wishes, and not based in reality. The latest economic forecasts, looking forward over the next three years, indicate that every single one of the other 27 EU countries will enjoy higher sustained economic growth compared to Britain. I know that you seem to enjoy writing countries like Italy, Spain and Greece off, and equally you seem to resent the collective approach taken by the EU over the last decade that has helped them to put their economies back into some semblance of order (as opposed to just cutting them adrift and letting them sink or swim), but at least the economic forecasts indicate that their economies will be 'stable'. A welcome contrast to the 'strong and stable' situation we are currently enjoying, of course. https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/economy-finance/ip096_en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Curtains said: 17.4 Million wanted to leave obviously old racist fools right. Not all old, not all racist. Not all fools either - more apt to describe them as 'fooled'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: 17.4 Million wanted to leave obviously old racist fools right. Some, yes. However a lot where lied to. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-broke-electoral-law-and-british-democracy-is-shaken https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/high-court-found-that-vote-leave-broke-law-in-different-way/ https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/vote-leave-fined-and-referred-to-the-police-for-breaking-electoral-law Therefore the law must be applied, and the result put to one side, the people behind it, punished and the referendum run again. Anything short of that is also an illegal act. What May is doing, right now, is probably illegal. 17.4 million out of a population of 66m, so 26% of the actual population. 46.3m can vote so 37.5% voted leave. A lot didn't vote because they thought it was pointless, and a tory in-house fight....Then came the lies, brexit was the real project fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, eddie said: Not all old, not all racist. Not all fools either - more apt to describe them as 'fooled'. So another Vince Cable referendum Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, eddie said: Not all old, not all racist. Not all fools either - more apt to describe them as 'fooled'. Bring another referendum on Let’s see the result. Not my preference has we never left but bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Some, yes. However a lot where lied to. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-broke-electoral-law-and-british-democracy-is-shaken https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/high-court-found-that-vote-leave-broke-law-in-different-way/ https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/vote-leave-fined-and-referred-to-the-police-for-breaking-electoral-law Therefore the law must be applied, and the result put to one side, the people behind it, punished and the referendum run again. Anything short of that is also an illegal act. What May is doing, right now, is probably illegal. 17.4 million out of a population of 66m, so 26% of the actual population. 46.3m can vote so 37.5% voted leave. A lot didn't vote because they thought it was pointless, and a tory in-house fight....Then came the lies, brexit was the real project fear. Happy to have another referendum even though we never left. Bring it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Happy to have another referendum even though we never left. Bring it on Go tell your MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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