Carnero Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 With prospects including Mitchell, Bateman, Bogle, Lowe, Hanson, Guy, Elsnik, Bennett, Vernam, Zanazala, Walker surely we should be able to compete in this division with at least 2 or 3 academy products in every starting XI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Have tried to vote no but can’t submit no vote as it requires me to then vote on how many so totally flawed vote ,, i take it we are then also going to be ok to bring in loans that have clauses from the loaning club that we must play them or pay penalty clauses ,, first team has to be on merit or else it all becomes rotten ,, i see what your trying to say but it’s wrong ,, we should be hoping we produce enough quality that gets in first team but making it a policy we have to play any chosen number is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I think two is realistic, it doesn't have to be the same two every week (unless they turn out to be good enough to keep their place). What you don't want to do is put too many young lads in because you run the risk of results dropping and the fans getting on their backs (which lets be honest will happen with our lot) and you hit their confidence before they have had a chance to bed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I've gone with yes but perhaps this rule should be in line with the squad not the first 11, if they show well as subs then they'll start on merit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I voted no as it could get quite messy and hinder a manager if he is forced to play a certain number of academy players in each game. Who would enforce that policy? the chairman, owner.....wouldn't that be seen as interfering with team selections? How long before the cries of let the manager pick who he wants? You may only have one or two that are ready to step up, what happens if they are suspended or out with a lengthy injury? If the club has a general policy in place where one of the KPI's is to introduce players to the first team from the academy, I would be fine with this. When a club puts a lot of money into the academy you want to see results, but there needs to be some understanding also that there is nothing to gain by forcing the issue, dragging youth players through to fill a quota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, archied said: Have tried to vote no but can’t submit no vote as it requires me to then vote on how many so totally flawed vote ,, i take it we are then also going to be ok to bring in loans that have clauses from the loaning club that we must play them or pay penalty clauses ,, first team has to be on merit or else it all becomes rotten ,, i see what your trying to say but it’s wrong ,, we should be hoping we produce enough quality that gets in first team but making it a policy we have to play any chosen number is wrong Vote "No" to Q1 & "Other" to Q2 then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 It depends entirely how you are defining 'DCFC Academy product'. Huddlestone has started almost every game this season, for example. Jamie Hanson is 22 now, does he still count as an academy product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, David said: If the club has a general policy in place where one of the KPI's is to introduce players to the first team from the academy, I would be fine with this. This is my problem though... we've had this supposed policy for years and it doesn't happen due to the need for instant results and chasing promotion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: It depends entirely how you are defining 'DCFC Academy product'. Huddlestone has started almost every game this season, for example. Jamie Hanson is 22 now, does he still count as an academy product? Yes to Hanson. I suppose the policy would need restricting to U23 year olds as Huddlestone is pushing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, archied said: first team has to be on merit or else it all becomes rotten ,, Oh look we agree, one of us must be wrong then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Have to vote No. It would be nice but you have to pick your best team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh look we agree, one of us must be wrong then See you haven’t even so much as considered we might both be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Not many people have voted on this so I'll give it a bump. I voted yes because although I partly agree with David that it should be enough for it to be a stated intention, we all know it isn't happening in practice. With a play safe manager like Rowett there is always some excuse. He's far too risk averse to bring a youngster on to try to turn a game in our favour, even though he sees the more experienced players fail to make an impact time and time again. I know it's only a rumour but I will be gutted if Luke Thomas goes off to West Ham without us ever having had a real chance to see what he could do at first team level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I voted Yes, not because I think it's viable right now but because it would signal the right intention. And it's perhaps more reasonable to say "In the squad, with positive intent to be used as substitute". You have a challenge of how you police that, but again it signals intent. The academy at the moment seems like a stunning waste of money. Forget Hughes, Hendricks, and Huddlestone - they all came through before all the recent investment. Reading that last sentence I've stumbled on the solution. Only have players in the academy whose surnames begin with H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, angieram said: Not many people have voted on this so I'll give it a bump. I voted yes because although I partly agree with David that it should be enough for it to be a stated intention, we all know it isn't happening in practice. With a play safe manager like Rowett there is always some excuse. He's far too risk averse to bring a youngster on to try to turn a game in our favour, even though he sees the more experienced players fail to make an impact time and time again. I know it's only a rumour but I will be gutted if Luke Thomas goes off to West Ham without us ever having had a real chance to see what he could do at first team level. Thomas is going nowhere , I’m willing to bet he will be one getting his chance with us next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Next season will be intresting for example at left back we have Forsyth Ollson and lowe and if the club believes lowe will be decent then one of the others need to move on, personally Ollson has always been in and out because when it comes down to it he is not a great defender and won’t be getting any better so we may get a bit of money back on him and surly the club thinks Forsyth will be fit enough after two bad injuries and is the better defender and lowe can have a real chance of playing there will be other areas with a similar scenario - Elsnick - who can he dislodge from the match day squad - Thomas as well, we have to assume that Baird will be on his way so are we going to allow opportunity to a reserve right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 It’s obvious we need to bring the average age of the squad down and our recruitment from now on should only buy players who will still have a sell on value so probably no signings over 28.And as for blooding younger players you can’t do it for the sake of it if they are not good enough but ideally at least 3 in a 1st team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, angieram said: Not many people have voted on this so I'll give it a bump. I voted yes because although I partly agree with David that it should be enough for it to be a stated intention, we all know it isn't happening in practice. With a play safe manager like Rowett there is always some excuse. He's far too risk averse to bring a youngster on to try to turn a game in our favour, even though he sees the more experienced players fail to make an impact time and time again. I know it's only a rumour but I will be gutted if Luke Thomas goes off to West Ham without us ever having had a real chance to see what he could do at first team level. Cheers Angie I think I should have included "POLL:" in the subject title, not done one before so wasn't sure how it'd all work! #PollFail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 100%. Derby desperately need a rebuild. I thought that was GRs remit but instead the squad has got older. An average age of 30 against Burton, and the side has looked as away from a promotion candidate as any time in the last 5 years. You have to drop back to come back stronger. I would be more content sat in 15th place now, having played the kids all season, and built a platform to launch from, than I am sat in 7th place with an aging squad and no philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 It's Man Utd's policy, why not ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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