Norman Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Lambchop said: Freedom of movement isn’t a product of socialism, it’s a product of EU corporatism. At least a socialist government would provide adequate infrastructure, education, health and housing to cope. Again, I think you’re blaming the wrong people. Didn't say it was socialism. I was saying it had the same final consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: If we need this amount of detail regarding crime stats then surely we should be demanding the same level of information before deciding if we think the Rooney Rule is really necessary in football? Not really, because it’s established that BME people fair consistently less when seeking employment than the equivalently qualified white candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Norman said: Didn't say it was socialism. I was saying it had the same final consequences. You think the quality of life for working class people has improved under the Tories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lambchop said: You think the quality of life for working class people has improved under the Tories? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: That's not how averages work though. I don't understand. If a high the minorities in this country are 2nd or 3rd generation we're not going back far. Its unlikely that the previous generation came here with the wealth to match white Brits. Never mind the elite. So how would you expect to find the average wage to be equal when the opportunity hasn't been there for them? It's a struggle that's going to be reflected in future generations. Not because of their race though is it? They're not blocked by race. But by wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Lambchop said: I don’t know why you’re assuming it has to be class OR race, it’s both. We may not be individually racially prejudiced ourselves, but we all benefit from white privilege, whether we seek that or not. That’s why I don’t think it’s enough to just not be racist yourself and why I actively support anti racist measures which attempt to redress the balance. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/06/white-people-solution-problem-munroe-bergdorf-racist Why do I benefit from white privilege?!! Where?? Because I don't work in corn fields?? I work with 2nd, 3rd generation Muslims, Jamaicans, Sikh, African, Christian... Did I waste my race privilege? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Not really, because it’s established that BME people fair consistently less when seeking employment than the equivalently qualified white candidate. Not seen the stats on this anywhere. How is equivalent qualified measured in terms of football managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Alpha said: Did I waste my race privilege? No, you’re just unaware of it. If you were homeless, you’d be more likely to be rehoused than a BME person; unemployed, you’re more likely to get the job; walking down the street, you’d be less likely to be abused, assaulted or arrested, etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Have you all sorted it out now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Not seen the stats on this anywhere. http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06385/SN06385.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Lambchop said: I don’t know why you’re assuming it has to be class OR race, it’s both. We may not be individually racially prejudiced ourselves, but we all benefit from white privilege, whether we seek that or not. That’s why I don’t think it’s enough to just not be racist yourself and why I actively support anti racist measures which attempt to redress the balance. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/06/white-people-solution-problem-munroe-bergdorf-racist Munroe Bergdorf. The famous racist? Sacked by L’Oreal for saying the white race were the most destructive race on earth? Tell me more about alt-right teenagers. Also, did Bocker Wright have white privilege? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Lambchop said: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06385/SN06385.pdf That's nothing to do with football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: That's nothing to do with football. The thread is about employment prospects for BME coaches, which occurs in the context of racial discrimination in the UK. I’m starting to think you’re being deliberately obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, Lambchop said: No, you’re just unaware of it. If you were homeless, you’d be more likely to be rehoused than a BME person; unemployed, you’re more likely to get the job; walking down the street, you’d be less likely to be abused, assaulted or arrested, etc etc etc. Surely I'm less likely to be homeless because I earn enough money to keep the wolves from the door. I'm less likely to get abuse because I'm not fat, short, disabled. Im not likely to be arrested because my neighbourhood is pretty quiet and I don't commit crimes. For racist abuse to be shouted at me it would have to be from a racist. And those are black and white. If I was living in Brixton, whatever my colour I'm sure all those things would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Alpha said: Surely Again, I think you’re individualising it, rather than seeing the overall picture. And stop calling me Shirley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, Lambchop said: The thread is about employment prospects for BME coaches, which occurs in the context of racial discrimination in the UK. I’m starting to think you’re being deliberately obtuse. It seems you only want to use available data when it suits your argument. How is showing national employment stats relevant to football? What percentage of the population actually have jobs in football? Let's actually use data which is relevant to the Rooney Rule being introduced. How many applications from BME managers have been unsuccessful and not even led to an interview? How does this compare to non BME coaches? What feedback has been analysed from prospective employers on why BME applications have been unsuccessful and what is being done to overcome this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R@M Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 12 hours ago, Lambchop said: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06385/SN06385.pdf Just to point out that those stats are hugely inflated by the cultural choices of Asian women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 hours ago, R@M said: Just to point out that those stats are hugely inflated by the cultural choices of Asian women. You either see the inherent justice of being anti racist or you don’t. Ultimately it’s a moral choice, not a statistical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeponacid Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 hours ago, Lambchop said: Freedom of movement isn’t a product of socialism, it’s a product of EU corporatism. At least a socialist government would provide adequate infrastructure, education, health and housing to cope. Again, I think you’re blaming the wrong people. I totally agree on the first part of your post...but just out of interest how would they deliver the second part? ...we're will all these additional amenities, infrastructures etc to serve human kind be built? How would they be funded? Also is the type of education we currently provide, the right kind of education, to create a better worlld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, sheeponacid said: I totally agree on the first part of your post...but just out of interest how would they deliver the second part? ...we're will all these additional amenities, infrastructures etc to serve human kind be built? How would they be funded? https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/ 41 minutes ago, sheeponacid said: Also is the type of education we currently provide, the right kind of education, to create a better worlld? Don’t start me on education! No, I don’t believe it is, by a long way. The National Curriculum has put the emphasis on spoon feeding content at the expense of developing independent thinking, questioning and evaluation. The marketisation of education through micromanaging assessment and an obsession with evaluating ‘performance’ has essentially reduced it to training and socialistion for the workplace. Provision for people with English as a second language is also crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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