Nick Blackman - Let's give him a chance

[RoyMac5]

9 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

Couldn't agree more with the original post. There's an absolutely fantastic player in there somewhere, just needs the right manager to unlock his confidence. Mac has proven he can do this with players (see Ince) so there's no reason he can't do it with Blackman.

 

So if Mac can't polish a turd who's to blame? Blackman has shown almost nothing for us and very little for other teams he's played for - you can't ask Mac to polish a turd.

[LeedsRam1999]

48 minutes ago, toddy said:

Yes in  a previous life, but as a club we are evolving and the last thing we need now is another holding CF. Mac has said that Vydra is the future..............

Martin was good at it for a few seasons, but become more unstuck when the opposition placed 2 CB's on him and also pressed our midfield.... Tommy Ince is scoring some very good goals without the addition of a Martin type needing to hold the ball up.

We could be evolving into a pacey midfield and pacey front three, a front 3 that does not play in set positions up front, a front 3 that is allowed to run the channels as and when they see fit. A front 3 that will constantly making diagonal runs, dragging oppositions CB's all over the place, this in turn opens up spaces for the others to get behind.

Making 3 pacey front runners that are feed by an accurate midfield passing is a nightmare for CB's to mark, as most CB's lack their pace and foot work skill.

Much like Liverpool this season 

[Alph]

38 minutes ago, toddy said:

That is the biggest lot of total bolloccks you have ever written.

No, the biggest load of ******** is that running speed scares a defender. It really doesn't. Variation scares a defender. The pace of the ball catching them out of position. Good footballers moving at speed with awareness. 

You might like to see somebody running around like a headless chicken but full backs have no problem with a runner that you can send down the line, tuck into a corner and easily predict the danger zone for a cross. 

Do you think it's pace that makes players effective? Do you not find it odd that despite pace being so scary that a defenders pace is not of high priority? Why aren't Jesus Navas and Theo Walcott the best players in the world? Why was Shefki Kuqi better than Theo Robinson, Luke Moore and Nathan Tyson combined. Why do we prefer Bent to Vydra and Weimann is sat on the bench?

Because this isn't a place for Usain Bolt or Mo Farah. What's more important than running speed is speed of thought, unpredictability and intelligent positioning. It's why Jesus Navas will never ever be as good as David Silva. It's why Maldini and Nesta had no problem with pace. It's why Paul McGrath could play with no legs. It's why Chris Baird can play RB instead of Anya. It's why Bent plays and Vydra hasn't done anything of note.

"We've evolved". Yes, to Bent. Not Vydra. Vydra has had a pretty poor time since coming in. Has he got the technique to match Bent? Yes. The pace? Certainly. The energy? Sure. So you tell me what he's doing wrong.

And don't try telling me it's the rest of the team that are in the wrong when we're winning multiple games in a row, scoring goals, creating chances, keeping clean sheets with players like Baird and Bent. I think maybe it's Vydra that's the problem with Vydra. Because he doesn't know his role. 

Can't believe we sat through the get it forward asap and fill the side with fittest and fastest players period of disaster just a few months ago and now people are forgetting. 

If you like running then go watch the greyhounds. 

[nottingram]

Don't really know what it is about Blackman that makes some posters feel the need to be so harsh towards him.

He's played barely any minutes for us, has shown a few nice touches and seems to have a really good attitude. 

[LeedsRam1999]

Players like Vydra, Blackman and Bent are good as they do make good runs to scare defenders and would do a job for us. 

Bent has shown he can hold up the ball as well and Vydra has shown glimpses and can learn it along with Blackman.

Martin suits us more when we are under pressure and need someone to relieve pressure on our goal.

Players like Vydra, Bent, and Blackman are the future of our strikers, players who can hold onto the ball and also make clever runs in a fluid from 3 alongside players like Anya, Ince, Razza etc.

Coming back to Blackman, fans can't get on his back when he hasn't had a run in a preforming team on top of their game. So let's give him his fair chance. Him and Vydra can learn their trade in a new system just like Bent has. 

 

[cannable]

8 minutes ago, Alpha said:

No, the biggest load of ******** is that running speed scares a defender. It really doesn't. Variation scares a defender. The pace of the ball catching them out of position. Good footballers moving at speed with awareness. 

You might like to see somebody running around like a headless chicken but full backs have no problem with a runner that you can send down the line, tuck into a corner and easily predict the danger zone for a cross. 

Do you think it's pace that makes players effective? Do you not find it odd that despite pace being so scary that a defenders pace is not of high priority? Why aren't Jesus Navas and Theo Walcott the best players in the world? Why was Shefki Kuqi better than Theo Robinson, Luke Moore and Nathan Tyson combined. Why do we prefer Bent to Vydra and Weimann is sat on the bench?

Because this isn't a place for Usain Bolt or Mo Farah. What's more important than running speed is speed of thought, unpredictability and intelligent positioning. It's why Jesus Navas will never ever be as good as David Silva. It's why Maldini and Nesta had no problem with pace. It's why Paul McGrath could play with no legs. It's why Chris Baird can play RB instead of Anya. It's why Bent plays and Vydra hasn't done anything of note.

"We've evolved". Yes, to Bent. Not Vydra. Vydra has had a pretty poor time since coming in. Has he got the technique to match Bent? Yes. The pace? Certainly. The energy? Sure. So you tell me what he's doing wrong.

And don't try telling me it's the rest of the team that are in the wrong when we're winning multiple games in a row, scoring goals, creating chances, keeping clean sheets with players like Baird and Bent. I think maybe it's Vydra that's the problem with Vydra. Because he doesn't know his role. 

Can't believe we sat through the get it forward asap and fill the side with fittest and fastest players period of disaster just a few months ago and now people are forgetting. 

If you like running then go watch the greyhounds. 

But Leicester…

[Sir Ramalot]

26 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Don't really know what it is about Blackman that makes some posters feel the need to be so harsh towards him.

He's played barely any minutes for us, has shown a few nice touches and seems to have a really good attitude. 

Because he's rubbish? And has been average at best his entire career.... go figure.....

[feris bueller day off]

40 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

So if Mac can't polish a turd who's to blame? Blackman has shown almost nothing for us and very little for other teams he's played for - you can't ask Mac to polish a turd.

Well lets see if Mac can roll him in glitter at least.

[toddy]

35 minutes ago, Alpha said:

No, the biggest load of ******** is that running speed scares a defender. It really doesn't. Variation scares a defender. The pace of the ball catching them out of position. Good footballers moving at speed with awareness. 

You might like to see somebody running around like a headless chicken but full backs have no problem with a runner that you can send down the line, tuck into a corner and easily predict the danger zone for a cross. 

Do you think it's pace that makes players effective? Do you not find it odd that despite pace being so scary that a defenders pace is not of high priority? Why aren't Jesus Navas and Theo Walcott the best players in the world. Why was Shefki Kuqi better than Theo Robinson, Luke Moore and Nathan Tyson combined. Why do we prefer Bent to Vydra and Weimann is sat on the bench?

Because this isn't a place for Usain Bolt or Mo Farah. What's more important than running speed is speed of thought, unpredictability and intelligent positioning. It's why Jesus Navas will never ever be as good as David Silva. It's why Maldini and Nesta had no problem with pace. It's why Paul McGrath could play with no legs. It's why Chris Baird can play RB instead of Anya. It's why Bent plays and Vydra hasn't done anything of note.

"We've evolved". Yes, to Bent. Not Vydra. Vydra has had a pretty poor time since coming in. Has he got the technique to match Bent? Yes. The pace? Certainly. The energy? Sure. So you tell me what he's doing wrong.

And don't try telling me it's the rest of the team that are in the wrong when we're winning multiple games in a row, scoring goals, creating chances, keeping clean sheets with players like Baird and Bent. I think maybe it's Vydra that's the problem with Vydra. Because he doesn't know his role. 

Can't believe we sat through the get it forward asap and fill the side with fittest and fastest players period of disaster just a few months ago and now people are forgetting. 

If you like running then go watch the greyhounds. 

Walcott is not a world beater because he doesn't have all the skill and pace.

A player with all the skill or a player with all the skill and pace?

In the last 30 years football as evolved where fitness and pace are paramount within a team, you add a player that can shoot and dribble and pass, then you have a player!

I am glad you mentioned Maldini, because he had so much pace that wingers needed 3 yd start on him and he still managed to get his legendary sliding tackles in, Yes pace is what separates the wheat from the Chaff. Maldini had a footballing brain, the skill and the pace and that's what made him so special as a full back and one of the quickest I ever seen play [ You might not know this but Maldini started out as a winger.]

Possibly the greatest front line ever to grace a football team current play at Barcelona,  Messi, Neymar and Suarez - all have fantastic skill and pace.

[PistoldPete2]

After Johnson, Baird and bent maybe Blackman can be next to be rehabilitated. Hope so. And vydra and weimann too. 

[nottingram]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ramalot said:

Because he's rubbish? And has been average at best his entire career.... go figure.....

Nope, he isn't rubbish at all. He's got a good touch, good pace, can strike a ball pretty well. He just needs to piece it all together and he'll be fine. The stick he gets is embarrassing.

[Sexydadbod]

If you don't think pace makes a difference, go watch Bayern 0 Real Madrid 4 from a few years ago. Real Madrid battered Bayern because of how quick they were on the counter attack. Also Bayern 7 Barca 0 over 2 legs, Bayern battered Barca because of their pace and strength. Obviously you need more than just pace to play at a high level but many professional defenders(like pique) admit they don't like playing against quick players, especially on 1 v 1 situations. Also don't think the criticism on Walcott is justified because he has been one of the best wingers in the prem this season. Liverpool's front 3 who are quick and interchangeable will be the blueprint in the English game soon, like it is abroad, see Sanchez playing up front for Arsenal now. Quick forwards who can interchange positions in order to win the ball back quickly. Sure you have the likes of Theo Robinson who are quick but have no technique which is fair enough but on the other hand the strikers in every top team in Europe have pace and technique

[Coneheadjohn]

At least everyones not arguing(debating) about Chris Martin coming back or not?

Is he?

 

 

[DEL]

7 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Nope, he isn't rubbish at all. He's got a good touch, good pace, can strike a ball pretty well. He just needs to piece it all together and he'll be fine. The stick he gets is embarrassing.

He is really rubbish tbf. 

 

4 minutes ago, McLovin said:

If you don't think pace makes a difference, go watch Bayern 0 Real Madrid 4 from a few years ago. Real Madrid battered Bayern because of how quick they were on the counter attack. Also Bayern 7 Barca 0 over 2 legs, Bayern battered Barca because of their pace and strength. Obviously you need more than just pace to play at a high level but many professional defenders(like pique) admit they don't like playing against quick players, especially on 1 v 1 situations. Also don't think the criticism on Walcott is justified because he has been one of the best wingers in the prem this season. Liverpool's front 3 who are quick and interchangeable will be the blueprint in the English game soon, like it is abroad, see Sanchez playing up front for Arsenal now. Quick forwards who can interchange positions in order to win the ball back quickly. Sure you have the likes of Theo Robinson who are quick but have no technique which is fair enough but on the other hand the strikers in every top team in Europe have pace and technique

This is Derby County not bloody Bayern Munich ffs. 

[DEL]

Just now, coneheadjohn said:

At least everyones not arguing(debating) about Chris Martin coming back or not?

Is he?

 

 

Would love to see him back but it's not up to me to decide what's the best for the player though. 

[admira]

I admit I'm not his biggest fan but agree with the OP that he needs to be given a chance. 

Let's not forget that when we bought him, I believe he was the top scorer in the Championship so he must have something about him. 

An Ipswich mate of mine said the other day 'you bought that Blackman didn't you? What a player, he ripped us apart'.  He was a bit taken aback when I told him he had been cak for us under both Clement and Pearson. 

Mac has a knack of bringing the best out of players so I say give him a chance. We clearly need some more centre forward cover so I'd start him against Wigan and another game before the January window shuts. That gives us a bit of time to get someone else in if he doesn't appear to be the answer. 

[toddy]

2 minutes ago, McLovin said:

If you don't think pace makes a difference, go watch Bayern 0 Real Madrid 4 from a few years ago. Real Madrid battered Bayern because of how quick they were on the counter attack. Also Bayern 7 Barca 0 over 2 legs, Bayern battered Barca because of their pace and strength. Obviously you need more than just pace to play at a high level but many professional defenders(like pique) admit they don't like playing against quick players, especially on 1 v 1 situations. Also don't think the criticism on Walcott is justified because he has been one of the best wingers in the prem this season. Liverpool's front 3 who are quick and interchangeable will be the blueprint in the English game soon, like it is abroad, see Sanchez playing up front for Arsenal now. Quick forwards who can interchange positions in order to win the ball back quickly. Sure you have the likes of Theo Robinson who are quick but have no technique which is fair enough but on the other hand the strikers in every top team in Europe have pace and technique

Absolutely spot on, the game is evolving ..............add pace to a very skill full player and he will exceed.

Remember Ashley Cole, take pace out of his game and you took away the threat of Ashley Cole.......

[Sexydadbod]

3 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said:

He is really rubbish tbf. 

 

This is Derby County not bloody Bayern Munich ffs. 

You completely missed the point of the post

[toddy]

7 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said:

He is really rubbish tbf. 

 

This is Derby County not bloody Bayern Munich ffs. 

What was said is relevant to whatever level /standard of league you are playing doesn't matter whether it is school boy or professional  or division 3 or Champions league.

Brain + skill + pace = a fantastic player at that level he is playing at.

[toddy]

If anybody can give Blackmann confidence it is Mac, it would be nice to see him in a front 3 at his best.