dajstrawb Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Presuming it's the system we go with going forward (I would be super surprised if it wasn't) it will be interesting to see how the Mac and team work it this time around. With no Chrissy here this time round (yet..) and Vydra seeming to be a different striker altogether, will be interesting to see how we go about using that focal point of our attack. I can't see many balls into Vydra's feet with players buzzing around him, that's just not his game. I know we have other strikers but, surely that number 9 shirt is his. We'll be watching a different 433. Interesting days ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeggyRam Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I agree, vydra is a lot better option if we set out to press higher up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wouldn't say for certain that mcclaren will go for 433, he'll surely go for a system that best suits both our players and his style of play, which tbf probably is 433 or 4231 imo but we'll see on Saturday. If he does go for 433 I'm expecting: Carson Christie Keogh Shackell Lowe Johnson Hughes Bryson Anya Vydra Ince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, Millenniumram said: I wouldn't say for certain that mcclaren will go for 433, he'll surely go for a system that best suits both our players and his style of play, which tbf probably is 433 or 4231 imo but we'll see on Saturday. If he does go for 433 I'm expecting: Carson Christie Keogh Shackell Lowe Johnson Hughes Butterfield Anya Vydra Ince Fixed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Fixed.. I rate butterfield but I'm pretty certain he'll go with Bryson, he loved him last time and he offers more energy in midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Grooves Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Im getting slightly excited about the return of win after win like last time. I need to keep real though and expect nothing to happy.... although WE COULD START WINNING AGAIN!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, Millenniumram said: I rate butterfield but I'm pretty certain he'll go with Bryson, he loved him last time and he offers more energy in midfield But he can't do that because Martin isn't here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: But he can't do that because Martin isn't here though. Not nessercerily, I think people underestimate vydras abilities as a holdup man, he's no target man like Martin but he's got an excellent touch and moves the ball quickly like Martin at his best, and will have a similar impact on Bryson imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Would be funny if he played 442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Now, finally, we are going back to the past, surely we will look to get a decent DM in on loan. Brad Johnson isnt ideal and Ideally we need 2 for that position, incase we go 4-2-3-1. Infact the latter is better balanced than a 4-3-3- even with high pressing. Otherwise you can get mullered on the break as we have seen time and time again. Not even Mac can save us unless we get good players for the holding role(s) position. We saw that when we were without thorne, mascerell and eustace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 11 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Not nessercerily, I think people underestimate vydras abilities as a holdup man, he's no target man like Martin but he's got an excellent touch and moves the ball quickly like Martin at his best, and will have a similar impact on Bryson imo Whilst Vydra does have an excellent touch his game is radically different from Martin. Martin was all about dropping into the midfield and feeding midfield runners. Vydra is the opposite, his game is all about running in behind. If you compare the number of touches and passes Vydra has in comparison to Martin you will see he can't fulfill the same role as he doesn't get involved enough. As with any system it's about who is going to occupy what space, previously under Mac Martin would drop into midfield allowing space for Bryson to run into effectivley swapping positions at pace. Vydra is more about running in behind, so the space for a midfielder to bomb into doesn't exist to the same degree however there is more space behind the striker as the centrebacks are being pulled back to cover his runs. Therefore we need someone who is more of a second playmaker (alongside Hughes) to occupy the space outside the box just in front of the centrebacks, threading balls through for Vydra to run on to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Not nessercerily, I think people underestimate vydras abilities as a holdup man, he's no target man like Martin but he's got an excellent touch and moves the ball quickly like Martin at his best, and will have a similar impact on Bryson imo I count myself in the group that underestimates vydra holding the ball up. However he does make good runs and if encouraged to make more and at different angles I think it could be happy days with Bryson and Hughes behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Can see either Hanson being drafted up, Baird being used or possibly a full back stepping up to defensive midfield on Saturday. Mac showed before he wasn't afraid to put an older head in there so my guess would be the return of Baird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, RamLad1884 said: Can see either Hanson being drafted up, Baird being used or possibly a full back stepping up to defensive midfield on Saturday. Mac showed before he wasn't afraid to put an older head in there so my guess would be the return of Baird That's just reminded me, he actually played Stephen Warnock at CDM didn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Might as well try and sign Andre, Bamford & Dawkins, get Chrissy back and have a full reunion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I'd like to see Sammon back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITSD Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Speaking of DMs, what's become of Hanson? He has seemingly disappeared this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Whilst Vydra does have an excellent touch his game is radically different from Martin. Martin was all about dropping into the midfield and feeding midfield runners. Vydra is the opposite, his game is all about running in behind. If you compare the number of touches and passes Vydra has in comparison to Martin you will see he can't fulfill the same role as he doesn't get involved enough. As with any system it's about who is going to occupy what space, previously under Mac Martin would drop into midfield allowing space for Bryson to run into effectivley swapping positions at pace. Vydra is more about running in behind, so the space for a midfielder to bomb into doesn't exist to the same degree however there is more space behind the striker as the centrebacks are being pulled back to cover his runs. Therefore we need someone who is more of a second playmaker (alongside Hughes) to occupy the space outside the box just in front of the centrebacks, threading balls through for Vydra to run on to. I agree with most of that definately mate, vydra is a vastly different style of forward to Martin, however the point I was more trying to make is that Brysons link up play with Martin was arguably the main reason both had such success in the playoff season, and I believe that vydra can provide that same sort of link up play. Despite being a different sort of player to Martin, vydra isn't in the same sort of poacher category as bent, his instincts aren't only to score goals but also to bring others into play, which I think will be hugely beneficial to Bryson, but we shall see of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, Mr Tibbs said: That's just reminded me, he actually played Stephen Warnock at CDM didn't he. Against Reading yes.. Warnock was actually doing alright.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, Ninos said: I count myself in the group that underestimates vydra holding the ball up. However he does make good runs and if encouraged to make more and at different angles I think it could be happy days with Bryson and Hughes behind him. I do seem to be quite lonely in the camp of those he see vydra not as a poacher but there we go haha, haven't seen a huge amount of him so far tbf and I'm sure we'll see soon what his style is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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