sage Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, brady1993 said: Those are fair points. I just think with Martin up front you want your wide forwards to tuck in and make angled runs in the channel between the opposition fullback and centre back, at which I feel Russell is more qualified. I take it by his complete exclusion you don't fancy Ince? Personally I'm on the fence about him. if you aren't sure, re watch Sturridge's 'performance' v Slovenia and note the similarities with Ince and his inhabilty to be part of a cohesive unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, sage said: if you aren't sure, re watch Sturridge's 'performance' v Slovenia and note the similarities with Ince and his inhabilty to be part of a cohesive unit. That's directly where my worries about him come from and I'm not sure he is conducive to the style of play we presumably want to go back too. On the other hand he is a talented player and one who can win a game from nothing. Maybe the team play can be coached into him a bit more because I thought he showed a bit more of that under Wassell when played on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lushrams Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Previously was this Grant Forsyth Keogh Bucko Wisdom Hughes Thorne Hendrick Ince Martin Russell and now............. Carson Christie Shacks Keogh Anya Johnson Butterfield Hughes Ince Vydra Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, lushrams said: Grant Forsyth Keogh Bucko Wisdom Forsyth at Rb and Wisdom at Lb is an interesting tactical decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Carson Christie Keogh Shackell Lowe Baird Hughes Bryson Russell Bent Ince Most likely. I'd prefer Vydra and Johnson in for Bent and Baird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram a lamb a ding dong Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Olsson (would prefer Lowe) Johnson Butterfield Hughes Anya Vydra Ince 4-3-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tombo said: Carson Christie Keogh Shackell Lowe Baird Hughes Bryson Russell Bent Ince Most likely. I'd prefer Vydra and Johnson in for Bent and Baird I think I'd go with your preferred line up with the minor change of Butterfield for Bryson. I feel we need that extra playmaker in there with strikers we have available and Thorne injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Johnson Hughes Bryson Ince Vydra Anya. ...until, in January, Sam can make Fulham an offer they can't refuse to get Chrissy back, and Thorne will be fit... Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Thorne Hughes Bryson Ince Martin Anya. Shackell isn't good enough on the ball for the 433. Olsson might regain the shirt from Lowe, but the lad gets first chance. Then, the biggest job at Derby over the next 3 months is offloading about 6 players and bringing in better replacements. Blackman, Weimann, Bent, Johnson, Butterfield, Shackell, possibly Ince....all got to be in the firing line if we can get them out of the gate, or on the other hand, now is their absolute last chance to redeem themselves and grab a shirt. They've all got talent to some degree. I reckon that current team isn't quite as good as the side Mac inherited first time around, so patience required. A miracle loan or two in the Ibe/Wisdom mould wouldn't hurt either. Err, Jose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, needles said: Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Johnson Hughes Bryson Ince Vydra Anya. ...until, in January, Sam can make Fulham an offer they can't refuse to get Chrissy back, and Thorne will be fit... Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Thorne Hughes Bryson Ince Martin Anya. Shackell isn't good enough on the ball for the 433. Olsson might regain the shirt from Lowe, but the lad gets first chance. Then, the biggest job at Derby over the next 3 months is offloading about 6 players and bringing in better replacements. Blackman, Weimann, Bent, Johnson, Butterfield, Shackell, possibly Ince....all got to be in the firing line if we can get them out of the gate, or on the other hand, now is their absolute last chance to redeem themselves and grab a shirt. They've all got talent to some degree. I reckon that current team isn't quite as good as the side Mac inherited first time around, so patience required. A miracle loan or two in the Ibe/Wisdom mould wouldn't hurt either. Err, Jose... Whilst I agree Shackell isn't good enough on the ball, neither is Pearce and until we can find a ball playing centre back I think we should play Shackell as he is a superior defender. I agree with your offloads apart from Butterfield, I think Butterfield will fit in nicely with Mac's style of play and we do need at least three good attacking midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Whilst I agree Shackell isn't good enough on the ball, neither is Pearce and until we can find a ball playing centre back I think we should play Shackell as he is a superior defender. I agree with your offloads apart from Butterfield, I think Butterfield will fit in nicely with Mac's style of play and we do need at least three good attacking midfielders. Time for him to prove it mate. He's done bits and pieces here and there for 3 or 4 managers. Time to perform and own a shirt or move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, needles said: Time for him to prove it mate. He's done bits and pieces here and there for 3 or 4 managers. Time to perform and own a shirt or move on. Personally thought he was good under Clement. Just don't feel he deserves being lumped in with the others you mentioned as to shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Personally thought he was good under Clement. Just don't feel he deserves being lumped in with the others you mentioned as to shift. Fair enough. I think Weimann, similarly, has shown bits that he could be a good player here, just not consistently. I want t hem all to succeed and prove me wrong, but I wouldn't cry if the whole lot got shifted. Main point, for me is, that for all the talk of Mac, Sam Rush is possibly the key figure. Deals to be done, and properly. We've had our pants down too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, needles said: Fair enough. I think Weimann, similarly, has shown bits that he could be a good player here, just not consistently. I want t hem all to succeed and prove me wrong, but I wouldn't cry if the whole lot got shifted. Main point, for me is, that for all the talk of Mac, Sam Rush is possibly the key figure. Deals to be done, and properly. We've had our pants down too often. I'd agree with this. I have a soft spot for Butters myself, but you're dead right on Sam Rush being the key. I think Mel caught a bit caught up in things at first, but Rush got us some very good deals - we signed a fit George Thorne for about three million quid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 They still need to find a way of playing without Martin , and without a proper holding midfield player - at least until january. Which many argue are the two most important positions to make us successful. If I was a betting man, id say we will dominate posession, but create less chances and score less goals than before, whilst continuing to let in lots of goals to set pieces and on the break due to not offering the CBs any cover what so ever. Really hope Macca stays long enough for a couple of transfer windows and to bring in some proper players and balance the team a bit more. I wouldnt count on it though due to the turncoat that macca is, and the trigger happy Mel. Due to Thornes poor appearences record, coupled with the fact a 4-2-3-1 is probably better balanced than the 4-3-3 we play. I personally would look to bring in 2 holding midfielders if i could even if it meant we lost one of Hughes,bryson, butterfield, johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 minute ago, jagerbob said: ... even if it meant we lost one of Hughes,bryson, butterfield, johnson. There's Hughes, then there's a ******* big gap, then there's Bryson, then a big gap, then Butterfield and Johnson. Losing one of the latter two would be fine, losing Bryson would be a serious mistake. Losing Will Hughes would be shooting our own foot off. Then using the bloody remnants to beat our own brains out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 You have Ince and Vydra who could play the hole position too in addition to the others i mentioned. You can rank them all you want... im just saying id take a hit in that area, I still cannot believe Sam, Mel and anyone in charge of recruitment has let this happen. Doesnt change the fact we have 2 very attacking fullbacks and we have already lost hendrick whilst still no Defensive midfielder has come into the club. Tottenham and Liverpool have showed the 4-2-3-1 is better balanced playing the gegen pressing style than the 4-4-3 we employ which exposes our centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 4 hours ago, jagerbob said: You have Ince and Vydra who could play the hole position too in addition to the others i mentioned. You can rank them all you want... im just saying id take a hit in that area, I still cannot believe Sam, Mel and anyone in charge of recruitment has let this happen. Doesnt change the fact we have 2 very attacking fullbacks and we have already lost hendrick whilst still no Defensive midfielder has come into the club. Tottenham and Liverpool have showed the 4-2-3-1 is better balanced playing the gegen pressing style than the 4-4-3 we employ which exposes our centre backs. I like the sound of 443! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 7 hours ago, brady1993 said: That's directly where my worries about him come from and I'm not sure he is conducive to the style of play we presumably want to go back too. On the other hand he is a talented player and one who can win a game from nothing. Maybe the team play can be coached into him a bit more because I thought he showed a bit more of that under Wassell when played on the left. He is more of a team player on the left because his default mode of come inside and shoot isn't available. I would puck him ahead of blackman and camara. Bench player for me if he is happy with that.if someone offered 3-4m I'd take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 7 hours ago, needles said: Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Johnson Hughes Bryson Ince Vydra Anya. ...until, in January, Sam can make Fulham an offer they can't refuse to get Chrissy back, and Thorne will be fit... Carson Christie Keogh Pearce Lowe Thorne Hughes Bryson Ince Martin Anya. Shackell isn't good enough on the ball for the 433. Olsson might regain the shirt from Lowe, but the lad gets first chance. Then, the biggest job at Derby over the next 3 months is offloading about 6 players and bringing in better replacements. Blackman, Weimann, Bent, Johnson, Butterfield, Shackell, possibly Ince....all got to be in the firing line if we can get them out of the gate, or on the other hand, now is their absolute last chance to redeem themselves and grab a shirt. They've all got talent to some degree. I reckon that current team isn't quite as good as the side Mac inherited first time around, so patience required. A miracle loan or two in the Ibe/Wisdom mould wouldn't hurt either. Err, Jose... Don't think there will be much movement in Jan, Mac will have to play with what he has, any changes will be small. Don't think Martin will return , think BJ will be better this year. Don't expect the same as when he was here last time Mac has a different team in different circumstances. Keep the faith,." Don't boo and be resonable and patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 10 hours ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Against Reading yes.. Warnock was actually doing alright.. B4s post on Warnock after his red card in the cup is a thing of legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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