Day Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: for Eddie Howe, read Steve McClaren... He doesn't own a umbrella so your point is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Whacked a poll up using in order Skybet's current odds, next up was Southgate who has already ruled himself out so ended it there. I know some will have others not on the list but this is just using the current top odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Out of those options, Guus Hiddink surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dimmu said: Out of those options, Guus Hiddink surely. You're not a England fan so geroutofit, bloody Scandinavians coming over here and hijacking our polls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, David said: You're not a England fan so geroutofit, bloody Scandinavians coming over here and hijacking our polls! The force of brexit is strong with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, David said: You're not a England fan so geroutofit, bloody Scandinavians coming over here and hijacking our polls! Thought that the polls were all going home as they feel unloved here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 It's not sexy but big Sam is what England need. A manager who can quickly get average players to work as a team understand the plan and grind out results even against technically superior teams. In international terms, England are reasonable but not special. Thus that kind of approach might bring better rewards than regarding the England squad as anything"high end". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said: It's not sexy but big Sam is what England need. A manager who can quickly get average players to work as a team understand the plan and grind out results even against technically superior teams. In international terms, England are reasonable but not special. Thus that kind of approach might bring better rewards than regarding the England squad as anything"high end". Our recent problem has not been the technically superior teams. We haven't got as far as the technically superior teams - at least not in competition. I'm not personally convinced, but what I'm more intrigued by is that a small "think tank" of 3 people had an all-dayer to apparently agree what the priorities should be, then consulted people such as frank lampard and the result........ A shortlist which seems to consist of existing fa insiders plus the couple of English premier league managers. I wish the fa could be forced to publish the results of their deliberations. At least we'll know which issue Sam is seen as the answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, HantsRam said: At least we'll know which issue Sam is seen as the answer to. do you really need to ask that? Surely you cannot be that ignorant to what Sam does? Unless you're one of those that just goes with consensus without forming your own opinion. Agreed that he's never got a team playing like Arsene Wenger has Arsenal, but by the same token, he's never been a perennial under-achiever like Arsene Wenger in recent years. Every criticism that has been thrown at England players/teams/managers in the last 20 years are the kind of criticisms that have never been thrown at Sam. Whereas many of the constructive observations about tactics, formations, attitude, confidence to perform, selection of egos etc etc are the strengths that Sam has shown in his club management career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Big Sam is winning the polls happy days! Big Sam taking us to Moscow ??⚽️?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: do you really need to ask that? Surely you cannot be that ignorant to what Sam does? Unless you're one of those that just goes with consensus without forming your own opinion. Agreed that he's never got a team playing like Arsene Wenger has Arsenal, but by the same token, he's never been a perennial under-achiever like Arsene Wenger in recent years. Every criticism that has been thrown at England players/teams/managers in the last 20 years are the kind of criticisms that have never been thrown at Sam. Whereas many of the constructive observations about tactics, formations, attitude, confidence to perform, selection of egos etc etc are the strengths that Sam has shown in his club management career. I've got plenty of views thanks. Unlike your writing's however (the above being an example) i don't feel the need to spend my time telling others what to think. I was merely speculating as to what analytical results were yielded by the 3 wise men. The ceo of man utd, the director of elite development (or whatever Dan ashworth is) plus the other bloke. Perhaps you could send them your lines to see if they bear any resemblance to their own prognoses. So far, it's not clear who has been spoken to by the FA. But if the various media reports have any truth then there is no evidence whatsoever of any coherent thinking. Just sticking pins into names of plausible /available candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 22 hours ago, HantsRam said: So far, it's not clear who has been spoken to by the FA. But if the various media reports have any truth then there is no evidence whatsoever of any coherent thinking. Just sticking pins into names of plausible /available candidates. Surely that is the idea of an interview process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Surely that is the idea of an interview process? In my line of work there are usually a few stages before interviews. The first normally is a candidate brief ie what are the objectives and key attributes you are looking for. Then identification of a long list of possible candidates etc We heard that the team of 3 had a meeting. There was then a report that suggested that one point agreed upon by the 3 was that the successful applicant should be able to get the national team to develop a recognisable style. Then silence until a reported approach to allardyce. So is that it? One job objective and a potentials list of 1 candidate? An alternative approach altogether would be to ditch the expert panel and just invite interested applicants to pitch for the role. That is more common in my experience where you really don't know what you need or want so get someone to tell you. In that scenario the interview process can be used to help crystallise your own thoughts and perhaps that is the process you envisage. Nothing wrong with that in concept. But then we shouldn't require the self professed experts to be forming panels and going into deep deliberations. All a bit of a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 On 13/07/2016 at 21:52, Mostyn6 said: do you really need to ask that? Surely you cannot be that ignorant to what Sam does? Unless you're one of those that just goes with consensus without forming your own opinion. Agreed that he's never got a team playing like Arsene Wenger has Arsenal, but by the same token, he's never been a perennial under-achiever like Arsene Wenger in recent years. Every criticism that has been thrown at England players/teams/managers in the last 20 years are the kind of criticisms that have never been thrown at Sam. Whereas many of the constructive observations about tactics, formations, attitude, confidence to perform, selection of egos etc etc are the strengths that Sam has shown in his club management career. Sam not an under achiever? What has he achieved whilst Wenger has not? Appointing Sam would see us struggle to qualify, we need a manager who can handle, plan and prepare for knock out competitions in an international arena. Can you see an England team built round Andy Carroll, who Sam said should have gone to the Euros..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Sam not an under achiever? What has he achieved whilst Wenger has not? Appointing Sam would see us struggle to qualify, we need a manager who can handle, plan and prepare for knock out competitions in an international arena. Can you see an England team built round Andy Carroll, who Sam said should have gone to the Euros..... Blinkered view if you think winning a league or cup is the only measure of achievement. Look at what Allardyce did with Bolton and West Ham. Look how he saved Sunderland. All success stories. His only real failure was Newcastle. What is wrong with building a team around a target man? Maybe building a team where we play to individuals strengths is a better idea than just picking 11 good players and hoping it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Blinkered view if you think winning a league or cup is the only measure of achievement. Look at what Allardyce did with Bolton and West Ham. Look how he saved Sunderland. All success stories. His only real failure was Newcastle. What is wrong with building a team around a target man? Maybe building a team where we play to individuals strengths is a better idea than just picking 11 good players and hoping it works? This is something which has always puzzled me. How it's hoof when Allardyce's team does it and long pass when Mourinho's? Double standards by fans and press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 25 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Blinkered view if you think winning a league or cup is the only measure of achievement. Look at what Allardyce did with Bolton and West Ham. Look how he saved Sunderland. All success stories. His only real failure was Newcastle. What is wrong with building a team around a target man? Maybe building a team where we play to individuals strengths is a better idea than just picking 11 good players and hoping it works? It's not blinkered, if he was that good he would have been picked up to manage a team that was playing in Europe. Minor success at best, saving Sunderland in a rear guard action does not mean that he can build a team to compete and win against the top ten in the knock out rounds of internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 23 minutes ago, McRamFan said: It's not blinkered, if he was that good he would have been picked up to manage a team that was playing in Europe. Minor success at best, saving Sunderland in a rear guard action does not mean that he can build a team to compete and win against the top ten in the knock out rounds of internationals. See you chose to ignore his best achievements at Bolton. Since when does being a manager in Europe equate to being a good international manager? Remind me of the successes that Eriksson and Capello brought England... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, McRamFan said: It's not blinkered, if he was that good he would have been picked up to manage a team that was playing in Europe. Minor success at best, saving Sunderland in a rear guard action does not mean that he can build a team to compete and win against the top ten in the knock out rounds of internationals. Benitez couldn't save a better Newcastle squad. He's more highly regarded. Do you think Wenger could've done the things Allardyce has done? starting with poor teams and not spending massively to achieve. Wenger inherited a quality squad, and revolutionised the game in this country, but it's since overtaken him and he's been left behind. Allardyce has evolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: See you chose to ignore his best achievements at Bolton. Since when does being a manager in Europe equate to being a good international manager? Remind me of the successes that Eriksson and Capello brought England... Oh forgot Bolton won the title and all those cups and consistently finished in the top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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