jono Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Now the big man is back I wonder what everyone's opinions are on these two head to head (Owch that'd hurt) my feeling is Bucko .. Plus points .. Can pass confidently, great when up for corners, scares the bllx off weaker attackers, solid in the tackle. ...............minus points .. Positional sense not the best, can be clumsy, doesn't read potential threats so as easily and Keogh becomes hesitant Shacks .. Plus points .. Great positioning and reading of dangerous balls. Good heading in defence, good tackles, Keogh is confident and plays a better game ...............minus .... Uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, slow and slack in the pass which can put unecessary pressure on the whole back line I really like Buckos solidity and heart but for games against quality opposition I would always want Shacks because despite anything else Keogh is less nervy as their respective games seem to compliment each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Shackell every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Unless it's a staring contest, Shacks. But I'll never man love Shackell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No argument Shackell is the better defender, but if we are planning to play high-tempo, pass-and-move football, we cannot have Shackell in the team. The same with Bradley Johnson. We need to make a decision (probably over the summer) as to what we want out style to be, and either move on Shackell and Johnson (and get better suited replacements in, if possible). Or we move on Martin, Hughes, Bryson, Thorne, Keogh etc and build a Burnley style play-the-percentages team around Shackell and Johnson. And I certainly know which I'd choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On paper shack ell hands down but I don't think having watched what shack ell brings and what he also lacks over this season compared to jakey boy it's no way clear cut and that is a testament to jake Mr derby county Buxton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, curtains said: Shackell every day of the week. Except for a Saturday at Rotherham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, eddie said: Except for a Saturday at Rotherham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Don't like it that Shackell gets credit for how Keogh plays tbh. The worst of Keogh came when he had changes all around him. Christie, Shotton, Whitbread, Buxton, Raul, Forsyth, Thorne, Eustace and Mascarell. I'm sure Shackell's calm confidence has helped but Keogh and the coaches have probably done more for Keogh. On topic. It's a massive trade off. Shackell is abysmal in possession. I've never seen a player stop the ball dead so often. He invites pressure onto the team. We get squeezed in. Then when he does hit the pass the receiver has to wait 10 minutes for the ball to reach him. You can give Shackell 15 yards to step into and he ignores it. Olsson could have a huge spotlight follow him around and Shackell still wouldn't see him. But he's brilliant at defending. Stays on his feet, awesome awareness. Unbeatable in the air. The way he guides dribbling attackers is spot on. By far the best defender since... Shackell. I'd stick with Shackell. But he's massively frustrating. Looks like he's taking a free kick all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curtains Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Alpha said: Don't like it that Shackell gets credit for how Keogh plays tbh. The worst of Keogh came when he had changes all around him. Christie, Shotton, Whitbread, Buxton, Raul, Forsyth, Thorne, Eustace and Mascarell. I'm sure Shackell's calm confidence has helped but Keogh and the coaches have probably done more for Keogh. On topic. It's a massive trade off. Shackell is abysmal in possession. I've never seen a player stop the ball dead so often. He invites pressure onto the team. We get squeezed in. Then when he does hit the pass the receiver has to wait 10 minutes for the ball to reach him. You can give Shackell 15 yards to step into and he ignores it. Olsson could have a huge spotlight follow him around and Shackell still wouldn't see him. But he's brilliant at defending. Stays on his feet, awesome awareness. Unbeatable in the air. The way he guides dribbling attackers is spot on. By far the best defender since... Shackell. I'd stick with Shackell. But he's massively frustrating. Looks like he's taking a free kick all the time Why does Keogh keep passing it back to Shackell over and over again then. Ill tell you why because nothing is on as was the case 1st half against Forest. "Forward get it forward "but nothing on still get it "forward "shouts the crowd. 'Lump it forward " shouts the crowd again and again Keogh to Shacks nothing on so Shacks back to Keogh and build from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Get £1k if Shackell scored 5 league goals this season. He's got 1 hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Shackell. 100%. Buxton or Keogh on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: You're missing the point, @curtains. I didn't like the major wobbly he threw in Wassall's direction - it could have ended up causing a lot of trouble, but it seems that everyone has kissed and made up. He is a quality defender, I won't dispute that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: Shackell 2 in 84 Buxton 11 in 136 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, curtains said: Why does Keogh keep passing it back to Shackell over and over again then. Keogh doesn't. How do you think the ball leaves the back 4 the majority of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Alpha said: Don't like it that Shackell gets credit for how Keogh plays tbh. The worst of Keogh came when he had changes all around him. Christie, Shotton, Whitbread, Buxton, Raul, Forsyth, Thorne, Eustace and Mascarell. I'm sure Shackell's calm confidence has helped but Keogh and the coaches have probably done more for Keogh. On topic. It's a massive trade off. Shackell is abysmal in possession. I've never seen a player stop the ball dead so often. He invites pressure onto the team. We get squeezed in. Then when he does hit the pass the receiver has to wait 10 minutes for the ball to reach him. You can give Shackell 15 yards to step into and he ignores it. Olsson could have a huge spotlight follow him around and Shackell still wouldn't see him. But he's brilliant at defending. Stays on his feet, awesome awareness. Unbeatable in the air. The way he guides dribbling attackers is spot on. By far the best defender since... Shackell. I'd stick with Shackell. But he's massively frustrating. Looks like he's taking a free kick all the time That's the best post I've seen on the subject , well balanced and thought out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, curtains said: Why does Keogh keep passing it back to Shackell over and over again then. Ill tell you why because nothing is on as was the case 1st half against Forest. Forward get it forward but nothing on still get it forward shouts the crowd. The opposition has started marking Keogh when we have deep possession and leaving Shackell free. It has happened in virtually all of our last 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 We certainly lose a dynamism in the team with Shackel. You notice it more and more now how the opposition can't close down all four defenders, so they close down the fullbacks and Keogh and allow Shackel time, lots of it, and space on the ball. They seem to know that he'll take ages making up his mind before making a pass to the opposition. However, defensively, Shackel is the better option. Can't we morph them into one world class defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, sage said: The opposition has started marking Keogh when we have deep possession and leaving Shackell free. It has happened in virtually all of our last 10 games. Thorne needs to pick the ball up then and get it going that's what he's there for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, archied said: That's the best post I've seen on the subject , well balanced and thought out The question is, what has he done with the real @Alpha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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