Uptherams Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Massive signing, got to be looking at top two (on paper). You guys need to calm down. They are not gaining anything. Boro will be lucky if this guy and Downing replace Bamford's and Vossen's goals from last season. Boro had a solid defense last season. They had an average goal scoring record. No chance they can replicate their defensive form from last season. That was a peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 You guys need to calm down. They are not gaining anything. Boro will be lucky if this guy and Downing replace Bamford's and Vossen's goals from last season. Boro had a solid defense last season. They had an average goal scoring record. No chance they can replicate their defensive form from last season. That was a peak. Collectively Bamford and Vossen managed 24 goals. You'd hope over £7mil for 2 attacking players should be able to manage 24 goals between them. You'd hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 You guys need to calm down. They are not gaining anything. Boro will be lucky if this guy and Downing replace Bamford's and Vossen's goals from last season. Boro had a solid defense last season. They had an average goal scoring record. No chance they can replicate their defensive form from last season. That was a peak. I don't need to do anything. Making a coherent observation about the signing of two players who will have a big impact on a team likely to be challenging us next season is what this thread is for. Another year together for Boro, very solid defence and now two quality attacking players for this league - they'll be a big threat to top two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Collectively Bamford and Vossen managed 24 goals. You'd hope over £7mil for 2 attacking players should be able to manage 24 goals between them. You'd hope...Boro scored just 68 league goals last season. They won't concede so few this season. So it's not just replacing goals, they will need to score a few more for automatics in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 They won't concede so few this season.How do you know this though? People could say that we won't concede as many this season, doesn't mean that'll stop people demanding a brand new defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 How do you know this though? People could say that we won't concede as many this season, doesn't mean that'll stop people demanding a brand new defence.I don't, but because of peaks and troughs. Last season that was a peak defensive record. If I am not allowed to do that then none of you lot are either. None of you are allowed to assume that Downing and this new striker will do well. My point of view which is backed up by the stats is that they will need to do more than well. If these two or one had gone to Boro on top of the two who are not returning then my view would be different. If we sold Martin and Russell and replaced them with two players who might replace their contribution we wouldn't then be saying we will do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaphaRam Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Who finished stronger, and who has changed managers?Mel is not too dissimiliar to Boro's owner (gibson?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Squawka Football @Squawka 18m18 minutes agoNo English player created more chances in the Premier League over the last two seasons than Stewart Downing (147).And he's stepping DOWN a league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Signed, only a 4 year deal not 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Middlesbrough have simply offered him a contract no Premier League side would. No secret to why he has stepped down a league. Fair play to Downing, he's pulled himself an absolutely stunning deal without heading to the MLS or the Middle East. I hope it works out just as well when Kelvin Wilson went 'home' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Squawka Football @Squawka 18m18 minutes agoNo English player created more chances in the Premier League over the last two seasons than Stewart Downing (147).And he's stepping DOWN a league. You shouldn't take that at face value. Last season specifically it was 80 something and people are claiming that includes shots on target and set pieces. If that is the case then people should be asking why he only managed 7 goals and 10 assists over the last 2 seasons. Which includes just 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 25 appearances. Downing as with West Ham, had a great start to last season. Out of the 7 goals and 10 assists he has got over the last 2 seasons, some 4 goals and 6 assists came in the first 18 matches of last season. Outside of that time his return has been poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Holgate Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 'Offered him a contract no other premier league team would' ... You mean 30,000 a week, half of what he was on at West Ham? He could have easily stayed at West Ham or any other bottom half PL club on that wage if it was about money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You shouldn't take that at face value. Last season specifically it was 80 something and people are claiming that includes shots on target and set pieces. If that is the case then people should be asking why he only managed 7 goals and 10 assists over the last 2 seasons. Which includes just 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 25 appearances. Downing as with West Ham, had a great start to last season. Out of the 7 goals and 10 assists he has got over the last 2 seasons, some 4 goals and 6 assists came in the first 18 matches of last season. Outside of that time his return has been poor. Shouldn't really use assists as a judge. The other player has to score the goal to gain an assist. I mean, if Messi was passing to himself instead of Neymar, Suarez and Jordi Alba (as good as they are) he'd rack up over 50 assists a season.The fact Downing has created so many chances is testiment to his ability. He is the best player in the Championship in his position, and by some distance too.I fancied Boro to win the league before the window as i knew they'd strengthen well. With Downing, the likelihood of another three Chelsea players heading there on loan, the competition weakening (IMO). I think they'll win it with over 90 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Shouldn't really use assists as a judge. The other player has to score the goal to gain an assist. I mean, if Messi was passing to himself instead of Neymar, Suarez and Jordi Alba (as good as they are) he'd rack up over 50 assists a season.The fact Downing has created so many chances is testiment to his ability. He is the best player in the Championship in his position, and by some distance too.I fancied Boro to win the league before the window as i knew they'd strengthen well. With Downing, the likelihood of another three Chelsea players heading there on loan, the competition weakening (IMO). I think they'll win it with over 90 points.Boro's biggest signing will be hanging on to Karanka.For me, they look certs for promotion.They were a better side than Derby last season and they have strengthened. Downing is an absolute no brainer. The type of player that if available, you make him yours.They have paid for five years of (injury permitting) quality on their left side irrespective of what division they are playing.I don't understand why he is considered surplus to requirements at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I can't see how Boro are a better side than they were last season. They have lost Bamford and Vossen and gained a winger who won't get any better. They have a thin squad and will again be reliant on loan signings and luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Christ, and people say we're trying to buy the league! £5m and a 5 year deal that's got to be £10k a week at least...Saying that, on his day he'll be very good in this division. If they manage to bring in a good forward and steer clear of injuries they'll be there or there abouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shang Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Wasn't Downing the player at Liverpool who managed no goals and no assists one season? Or am I thinking of someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Downing's a top signing for them if they chuck him in as a no.10, their main weakness last year was that they were nowhere near as bigger attacking threat as Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford or us.Get a creative playmaker with PL quality running their attack, it'll transform them.And people saying Ince is a better signing; he isn't right now, but in 2 years time, we'll still have a great young, English winger and they'll have a decreasingly bad, highly paid Stewart Downing.Time will tell, no ones ever a certainty to get automatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Shouldn't really use assists as a judge. The other player has to score the goal to gain an assist. I mean, if Messi was passing to himself instead of Neymar, Suarez and Jordi Alba (as good as they are) he'd rack up over 50 assists a season.The fact Downing has created so many chances is testiment to his ability. He is the best player in the Championship in his position, and by some distance too.I fancied Boro to win the league before the window as i knew they'd strengthen well. With Downing, the likelihood of another three Chelsea players heading there on loan, the competition weakening (IMO). I think they'll win it with over 90 points.Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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