Clement confirmed on 3yr deal

[cloughandtaylor]

Paul Clement is massive gamble for us, no experience at this level, no experience of being no1 at a club yes, fantastic experience at the highest level with world class players  around him which is just slightly different! 

He will be judged by results and promotion is a must next season, I only hope he can live upto the hype!

I felt much more at ease when we brought Mac in than I do today, time will tell..........

[Pearson]

I'd agree with much of Pearson's post, but there are several clubs in our division that have taken rather expensive journeys down the experienced managers route and got absolutely nowhere.A lot of football is a gamble.

​The ones that have chosen a "proven" manager Ramblur, Howe, Warburton, McCarthy & Neill, all finished in the top six.

[Allanthediver]

I'm sure he'll have plenty of experience of teams coming to Madrid,Chelsea and PSG wanting to park the bus or stop the team playing. Tactically being the bigger or more attacking team won't be a problem. He'll also have some great contacts, so I envisage some good loans too...it's a yes from me!

[Will Hughes Hair]

​The ones that have chosen a "proven" manager Ramblur, Howe, Warburton, McCarthy & Neill, all finished in the top six.

​Not sure I follow this train of thought.  Howe and McCarthy would count as experienced in my book, but Warburton and Neill?  Surely not?

[needles]

​Not sure I follow this train of thought.  Howe and McCarthy would count as experienced in my book, but Warburton and Neill?  Surely not?

​Plus, Ian Holloway is experienced and went down. You can't judge Clement by the record of other managers at other clubs in any case. 

I'd sooner have the higher potential and take a punt, than appoint one of the usual suspects. Florist have had half a dozen of them over the last few years, spent millions and got nowhere.

We're on the right track. Trust Rushy.

[uttoxram75]

Paul Clement is massive gamble for us, no experience at this level, no experience of being no1 at a club yes, fantastic experience at the highest level with world class players  around him which is just slightly different! 

He will be judged by results and promotion is a must next season, I only hope he can live upto the hype!

I felt much more at ease when we brought Mac in than I do today, time will tell..........

​I was far more worried when we bought Mac in. All i saw was a manager who threw money at Middlesbrough until it stuck and they had a bit of success. I saw him as a Redknapp type, and still do.

He did superb with the team from the day he joined and treated us to some of the best football in many a year. The problems started when he began bringing players in, the team gradually deteriorated although without the injuries it may well have been a different story.

To me, Steve Mac was a huge gamble, based on his record, yet it very nearly paid off, so wtf do i know!

I know nothing about Paul Clement other than what i've read over the last few weeks so he comes with no baggage, no bias, no wally with brolly type stuff.

 

 

[Alph]

I feel like a lot of Rams are getting a bit carried away? 

I think some (I'm talking away from the forum too) have sort of decided he is something that he isn't yet. It's like Derby under McClaren. We weren't pouring praise in Paul Simpson's lap when we're all invading London. He assisted McClaren. But we all said that Mac was responsible for the football. 

Same sort of thing with Clement. He's obviously a top coach. A top assistant. But it was Ancelotti. He was the main man. He's a great tactician and many say that his attention to detail is extreme. Ancelotti is a workaholic. He is obsessed with making sure he doesn't leave anything to chance. I remember Seedorf saying that Ancelotti can tell you things about the opposition that you just don't need to know. 

I am excited by Clement. We've actually attracted somebody world class to this club. Somebody who Real Madrid wanted up until what? a week ago? It really wouldn't surprise me if he goes right to the top as number 1 and we'll benefit hugely from being a stepping stone. 

But just talking to people and reading a few bits you'd think the guy was the mastermind behind it all and he's basically Ancelotti in disguise. I just don't want folks to put a huge weight of expectation on us again. It was too much last season and even when we were winning there was this sort of "There's more to come though??" attitude.  

Being an assistant at Chelsea and Real Madrid is a long way off being the number 1 at Derby. He couldn't really be better prepared. But it is a different job. It's not a tiny change. Ancelotti had his huge experiences and the experiences of people like Clement and Zidane and so on to draw on. He uses his knowledge on the greatest players. Players like Seedorf, Nesta, Maldini, Pirlo, Ronaldo, Ramos, Zlatan etc etc. 

Clement has observed the best. But it's tricky because he's sort of cut the apron strings and now he has to feed his ideas to Jeff Hendrick and Craig Bryson. Richard Keogh and Craig Forsyth. 

[Alph]

Didn't mean to come across as doubting him. I'm just keeping a lid on my excitement.  I'm happy with him. I just don't think the idea that he might not be able to get to grips with managing himself should be thrown out. Feel like a few people, certainly a minority, think that coaching Real Madrid to managing Derby is just a natural step. But nobody questioned Simpson's tactical input or recruitment. Because we all knew McClaren was the main man. The main brain. The final decisions. The man who has to make sure 20-30 probably more blokes all know what they're about including Paul Simpson. 

He has to make people buy into him. Where before everything landed in Ancelotti's lap and Clement could help,  it now all comes his way. Everyone looks to him now. He isn't following orders and floating ideas anymore. 

[Bris Vegas]

Plenty of number twos at Manchester United have gone to do nothing as a number one - it's risky.

Also, working with world class players ins't necessarily a good thing when considering the drop in quality. With Sergio Ramos, Luka Modric and Cristiano Ronaldo it wouldn't have been too difficult to get them to do things properly.

He will probably see Keogh, Hendrick and Russell and think 'Oh God what have I got myself into?'

Training Sergio Ramos to be tactical, play the ball out of from the back - it would have been at such a high level, elite training. With Keogh, it will have to be back to basics.

Could you imagine Pep Guardiola teaching Derby a high-tempo passing drill starting with Lee Grant? He'd give up after five mins as Keogh and Forsyth naturally keep giving the ball away.

Some managers and coaches are perfect for elite clubs, whereas others like Allardyce for instance specialise in survival football.

[cloughandtaylor]

I said it weeks ago, there are managers that work with lots of money and buy the best players available and their job is to gel them into a team - think Chelsea, Man City, Real Madrid, PSG....

There are managers that have to coach what they have got and try to compete with the above...

I doubt very much that PC told Ronaldo how to play football, PC would have been included in the tactics against the opposite prior to games...

[Pearson]

 

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  21 hours ago, Will Hughes Hair said:

​Not sure I follow this train of thought.  Howe and McCarthy would count as experienced in my book, but Warburton and Neill?  Surely not?

 

 

I said nothing about experienced managers, especially repeated failures. I did say proven, as in having previously shown some ability in formulating a successful side. A manger of this ilk I would have been more than happy with, not a gamble, as we are currently undertaking.

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[AmericanRam]

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  21 hours ago, Will Hughes Hair said:

​Not sure I follow this train of thought.  Howe and McCarthy would count as experienced in my book, but Warburton and Neill?  Surely not?

 

 

I said nothing about experienced managers, especially repeated failures. I did say proven, as in having previously shown some ability in formulating a successful side. A manger of this ilk I would have been more than happy with, not a gamble, as we are currently undertaking.

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It's done.Let Clement show what he can do before you already write him off.

 

[ram1964]

Clement has a variety of experience with youth players under 21 international players as well as the elite tier of Spanish and French players.I don't think his coaching ability working with Derby players will be a problem ,

 I am sure his insight of working with top managers is some thing money cannot buy,I am very positive about the appointment and believe he has chosen wisely before stepping into management.A decision as important to him as the club, Will he deliver and prove to be a top manager?That will depend upon his personality ,ability to make decisions and lead players whilst implementing his experience and knowledge learnt from his time with quality and successful managers.

I think he will do very well,however understand that just because you have been taught by the best doesn't neccersarily mean that you will automatically become a master,

[YouRams]

Clement has a variety of experience with youth players under 21 international players as well as the elite tier of Spanish and French players.I don't think his coaching ability working with Derby players will be a problem ,

 I am sure his insight of working with top managers is some thing money cannot buy,I am very positive about the appointment and believe he has chosen wisely before stepping into management.A decision as important to him as the club, Will he deliver and prove to be a top manager?That will depend upon his personality ,ability to make decisions and lead players whilst implementing his experience and knowledge learnt from his time with quality and successful managers.

I think he will do very well,however understand that just because you have been taught by the best doesn't neccersarily mean that you will automatically become a master,

​Happens in karate kid though?

[ram1964]

And didn't take 15 years of training