G STAR RAM Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can one of the mods change the title of this thread to:-'In 3 or more paragraphs debate the pros and cons of Nigel Clough' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 improvement it appears wasn't fast enough for the fans or the board. interestingly we have been poorer this season when players Clough signed have been unavailable or when SM introduced his signings. Remind me again how many of our regular starters are SM signings. Christie was, Albentosa is now we have no choice, Ince and Bent.I think you have a massive point, and you're not alone in making it. That says more about Nigel's lack of management and/or coaching ability than it does about McClaren and Evans poor signings. I will add though, show me a successful manager that doesn't use the players he inherits. Do you take Mourinho's achievements at Chelsea away because John Terry, Frank Lampard and Petr Cech were already there when he arrived? Do you take Guardiola's achievements away from him because the players he inherited at both Barcelona and Bayern Munich were not signed by him? No you don't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 improvement it appears wasn't fast enough for the fans or the board. interestingly we have been poorer this season when players Clough signed have been unavailable or when SM introduced his signings. Remind me again how many of our regular starters are SM signings. Christie was, Albentosa is now we have no choice, Ince and Bent.I will never get that argument, all that says is that Derby were underperforming with the players that Clough had at his disposal.its like giving the credit to Warnock for Pardews recent run, lambert for sherwood taking villa clear of the bottom 3, or Adams at Norwich for taking them to the brink of automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can one of the mods change the title of this thread to:-'In 3 or more paragraphs debate the pros and cons of Nigel Clough'Fair point, you are right it is a debate that has been done countless times, I apologise and happy for my comments to be deleted from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I'm liking this rational debate guys. Like I said earlier I wanted Clough to go at the time. But that was impatience by me. Looking back I do think Clough could have got us into the top 6 and think the fixture list at the start of the season was wieghted against. With hindsight looking back we played 5 out of the top 8 from that season in the first 9 games. Forest were on fire at the time having lost only once. the vast Majority of our wins came against teams 13th and lower. as I said with hindsight the start of the season was weighted against us looking at the teams final league positions. In fact looking at current table its the same this season. Look at the photos below look at where the greens are in the final two columns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can one of the mods change the title of this thread to:-'In 3 or more paragraphs debate the pros and cons of Nigel Clough'Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Done and you spelt your own username wrong in the thread title?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 and you spelt your own username wrong in the thread title?!?! Nah I spellt it wrong when I signed up many many years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 don't it always seem to go...you don't know what you've got til it's gone, sacked nigel clough, and nearly get promoted<apologies to Joni Mitchell> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (Big Yellow) TAXI FOR RADIOACTIVEWASTE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 May I sing a little song for Dav.ahem."You wanted him gone, you wanted him gohhone!you got what you wanted, you wanted him gone!" thankyou please.i'm here all week, try the veal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 When Mac goes up north, we ought to re-employ Nigel to settle this argument once and for all - see if he takes us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Stagnant? Look at the league positions he achieved - every year improved on the one before.(except for the year of the massive injury list) 14th, 19th, 12th, 10thNot won at home in his final season true - Lost to the eventual runaway top two.But you forget that we won 3 out 4 away matches.12-13 was the first season he'd got rid of the deadwood and had the majority of the 13-14 squad available.I just think the improvements were not happening fast enough for fans, but with the run of fixtures Mclaren had those results would have come under Clough. Dont get me wrong I wanted a change, posted as much on here, but I still don't buy that it was inevitable, or even significantly likely, that Clough wouldn't have got us into the top 6. You mention injuries as an excuse for Clough... ? Of course we haven't had any injury problems recently have we..? Clough's steady. consistent 33% win rate says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamFan13 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Bit unfair comparing Nigel Clough to a formula one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Ah, I understand it now, we swapped the Marc engines for Honda ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 We were going the right way under Nigel. Just not fast enough and time ran out for him. Tbh, I always thought it was the how match v reading that did for him, we were toothless, The oweners were there to see it and we lost 3 nil. They didn't sack him as the forest match was round the Corner, but its history now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 You mention injuries as an excuse for Clough... ? Of course we haven't had any injury problems recently have we..? Clough's steady. consistent 33% win rate says it all.we have your right and SM has managed the situation poorly too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Nigel was sacked when he was achieving the most he ever had.he was sacked because of that grumpy personality which didn't like sam rush trying to get involved in playing matters, culminating in the piiss taking and the row on the coach.if the jury is out on anything it should be out on the idea of having a Director of football responsible for buying the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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