Ovis aries Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 WUM You are, are you :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Okay, I'm sold, I've changed my mind. If he is so vital to our attacking style then we do need him. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I can't quite understand how our defensive record was so good, and our striking record was the best. Surely that would normally be a combination for league champions. I don't really understand how we didn't win the whole thing with that record. Anyway, of course if our defense is so involved in how we attack, then we may well let a few slip through. Remember that period when we lost a couple and Simmo said we should tighten up at the back. I think we had a couple of 0-0 on the trot, and eventually decided, **** it, back to the old way. Far better to win 5-0 one week, and loose 1-0 the next than get 0-0 every week. So, inclusion, like Lord Ram said, keep Keogh, keep the entire Wembley starting 11 (+ Bryso). Don't sell any of them, not for all the tea in china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Okay, I'm sold, I've changed my mind. If he is so vital to our attacking style then we do need him. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I can't quite understand how our defensive record was so good, and our striking record was the best. Surely that would normally be a combination for league champions. I don't really understand how we didn't win the whole thing with that record. Anyway, of course if our defense is so involved in how we attack, then we may well let a few slip through. Remember that period when we lost a couple and Simmo said we should tighten up at the back. I think we had a couple of 0-0 on the trot, and eventually decided, **** it, back to the old way. Far better to win 5-0 one week, and loose 1-0 the next than get 0-0 every week. So, inclusion, like Lord Ram said, keep Keogh, keep the entire Wembley starting 11 (+ Bryso). Don't sell any of them, not for all the tea in china. Since Mac came in we would have been second to Fester. Automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Since Mac came in we would have been second to Fester. Automatic promotion. Uh-oh, it's only a matter of time before someone utters the C-word. Change the subject. So Keogh is invaluable, so we cannot sell him. We don't need the money, and although theoretically at the right price we could do better, theoretically doesn't always work. Who do we replace him with and how can we be sure that they will perform and not be a waste of money. It would take silly money that only an absolute clown would spend to take him off us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Uh-oh, it's only a matter of time before someone utters the C-word. Change the subject. So Keogh is invaluable, so we cannot sell him. We don't need the money, and although theoretically at the right price we could do better, theoretically doesn't always work. Who do we replace him with and how can we be sure that they will perform and not be a waste of money. It would take silly money that only an absolute clown would spend to take him off us. Where's the C word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Could be part of an Edgar deal, would prefer Hutchinson who's tall and strong to Keogh, I mean Keogh was a full back at Coventry Won't be any part of an Edgar deal, he's a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 If Prem clubs are prepared to pay serious money, say £2.5m, then I'd be tempted. Good move for Keogh, and gives us some manoeuvre in the transfer market. Defence is one area we might be able to bring in a better player than we've got. Dutch maestro at the back? Argentinian hatchet man next to Bucko? You never know - and Sam has said there's likely to be a foreign signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Richard Keogh has been absolutely marvellous this season. Why would we want to sell him unless he really wants to play premier league football and wants to go himself? I love Bucko to bits and has been amazing this season. But as I've posted on another thread a few months ago, I still feel Bucko has played above and beyond his means this season and has to all the time. Whereas Keogh can get away with playing at 90% and his class gets him out of tricky situations. Hope you can understand that analogy guys and dolls! Feel free to rip me apart! It's not possible to play beyond your means in every single game... At the start of the season I would have agreed with you but now Buxton has proved (nearly) all of us wrong surely? He has been the epitome of a consistent Centre half and has been superb all season. It's not playing above and beyond your means if you can do it week in, week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's not possible to play beyond your means in every single game... At the start of the season I would have agreed with you but now Buxton has proved (nearly) all of us wrong surely? He has been the epitome of a consistent Centre half and has been superb all season. It's not playing above and beyond your means if you can do it week in, week out. I know what you mean, maybe using the wrong words. Maybe I was thinking no one would say that about Bucko 4/5 years ago. That's where I'm comparing him from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Where's the C word? You can't discuss Mac's successes and failings without someone jumping in to make a comparison using a certain C-word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 You can't discuss Mac's successes and failings without someone jumping in to make a comparison using a certain C-word. Nothing about the former manager in that post though, don't think there was any comparison. I do know what you mean though from time to time it does rear it's head on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 If he wanted to leave, he'd have a hell of a lot of explaining to do. As much as I like him as a player, he owes us now after what happened in the PO final. No he doesn't. Do you bloody well think he did it on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Where's the C word? Commons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Cox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Coleman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostedRam Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Comyn ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 If he wanted to leave, he'd have a hell of a lot of explaining to do. As much as I like him as a player, he owes us now after what happened in the PO final. Unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyPride Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Nobody can skull **** Rammie quite like Keogh. For that alone he should stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Every defender makes mistakes, but you've got to ask yourself whether Keogh's (or simply 'our defence's' if you don't want to pinpoint anyone) error at a vital moment of the highest pressured game of the season genuinely came as a surprise to you. Unfortunately, for me it didn't. That answer tells me that we need to improve the personnel if we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Unbelievable That's me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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