Clough Stick Or Twist ??

[Albert]

Didn't he get promoted with Brum? Keep Wigan and Sunderland in the PL? Didn't he make the top half with Sunderland?

As for finances.. Didn't he sell big too? Jordan Henderson and Darren Bent for around $34mill?

NC has proved he can be a capable NPC manager.. Just like Bruce has proved he can be a capable PL manager.. We're not talking about Paul Jewell here.. Also I see Bruce has Hull in the top 6 this season..

Are you suggesting Nigel Clough is a better manager? Also where did I say NC is doing a '**** job'?

There are many managers that has been in the PL that has done a much worse job than Bruce.. He has proved he can manage at that level.. He managed in the top flight for about 5 seasons running?

Paul Jewell did a pretty good job at other clubs too...

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[Bris Vegas]

Keep eating the worms Bris, you WUM!

Like I said.. Where did I say that he's doing a **** job?

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I think it has more to do with you abandoning the Leacock "debate". People are going to be a bit harsher on what you say, so anything that sounds anti-Clough will be taken to extremes.

I abandoned it because there wasn't anything left to say.. I said that Leacocks best season was better than Barkers best season therefore Leacocks best is better than Barkers best therefore when they retire Leacock will be known as having a higher level and therefore a better player.. (or season)..

I also said Barker was average and for $1mill he wasn't a good buy as portrayed..

No-one came up with a shred of evidence to disprove this despite people telling me I was ignoring facts which just got ridiculous so I walked away..

And now someone else is jumping on my posts because they can't admit Steve Bruce has done a better job than NC and that there are better managers in the NPC than NC..

We've got some seriously deluded people that post on these boards.. I say deluded because I think if I said they lack footballing knowledge they'd probably take it the wrong way.. But seriously, it's boring..Just regurgitating NC can do no wrong posts over and over again.. People need to say what they truely feel..

[Albert]

I like how you challenge the current opinion by simply stating your's then, asking the other side for the evidence, despite Leacock's career since being clear for all to see. We've already discussed why he looked better in 2006/07 than he has since, and why even if he wasn't that great a player, why he still looked alright in an experienced defence with a solid midfield in front of him in a team that was set up to defend well. Just because you pass that off as it isn't what you've written doesn't change anything.

Do you have any evidence apart from being unable to use units of currency properly to support yourself, or are you really just attempting to troll us?

[Bris Vegas]

I like how you challenge the current opinion by simply stating your's then, asking the other side for the evidence, despite Leacock's career since being clear for all to see. We've already discussed why he looked better in 2006/07 than he has since, and why even if he wasn't that great a player, why he still looked alright in an experienced defence with a solid midfield in front of him in a team that was set up to defend well. Just because you pass that off as it isn't what you've written doesn't change anything.

Do you have any evidence apart from being unable to use units of currency properly to support yourself, or are you really just attempting to troll us?

What impact does the rest of his career have on that one season where he reached a level higher than anything Barker has achieved..

It's like an Olympic runner running a 9.6 during a season then getting injured, having parties and slouching for the rest of his career.. And then an average guy runs an 10.7 5 seasons running and when they both retire the 10.7 guy claims he was the better runner..

Leacock's best > Barker's best

Barker for $1mill who doesn't get us in the top half or Leacock for $350k who helps get us promoted and earns the club $60mill plus.. I wonder who was the better buy?

Yeh I'm still scratching my head.. I can't think.. Was it the $1mill guy who did nothing for us? Or was it the cheaper, better, more profitable guy? Gawd I'm stumped..

[Albert]

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You again miss the point, as others have said, Leacock had one good season in a good team where he was just a part of it, Barker has stood out in a poor defence.

Actually, you'll lap this up. I'm current putting something together about the average points per game players have gotten over their time under Nigel. Leacock and Barker got exactly the same value! Ha, 2010-11 really did a number on his average points per game. As most would say though, he was quite poor by his own standards playing through injury in the second half of the season. Speaking of this though, Addison's points per game under Nigel is quite interesting!

[Guest]

Who does the poor defence consist of Albert? Given that most have been Nigel's signings and as you said he has a near perfect record?

[Albert]

Who does the poor defence consist of Albert? Given that most have been Nigel's signings and as you said he has a near perfect record?

A near perfect record all things considered. If you didn't bother reading the posts don't bother attempting to paraphrase what I said.

Barker has played with a lot of different defenders during his time here:

Fredrik Stoor

Nicky Hunt

John Brayford

Jake Buxton

Russell Anderson

Daniel Ayala

Miles Addison

Jason Shackell

Gareth Roberts

Dean Moxey

Jay McEveley

Dean Leacock

Mark O'Brien

Paul Connolly

He's a game for you, which two from that list performed the worst overall in terms of points per game for games they started?

[Guest]

A near perfect record all things considered. If you didn't bother reading the posts don't bother attempting to paraphrase what I said.

Barker has played with a lot of different defenders during his time here:

Fredrik Stoor

Nicky Hunt

John Brayford

Jake Buxton

Russell Anderson

Daniel Ayala

Miles Addison

Jason Shackell

Gareth Roberts

Dean Moxey

Jay McEveley

Dean Leacock

Mark O'Brien

Paul Connolly

He's a game for you, which two from that list performed the worst overall in terms of points per game for games they started?

Don't know and tbh don't really care.

Going back to the poor defence comment, which players were the poor ones out of interest, take last season as a starting point?

I rate barker, so it just interesting to know what players you thought dragged him down?

[Albert]

Last season was fine, but the team overall still didn't have it all in midfield as we had in 2006-07, nor did we set ourselves up as we did then. Captain Bri$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ over there declares that it's invalid to discuss Barker in relation to last season either. Going back to 2010-11 though, both Addison and Ayala, the two worst in terms of points per game were playing during that period. The season before we chopped and changed a lot at rightback, having two loanees come in to fill that role for a while.

Long story short, the discussion about the defence and midfield goes back to what Bri$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and I were discussing before.

Oh well, have a nice day.

[G STAR RAM]

How have I jumped the wagon if I get a season ticket in the prem?

I was on here when Bristol game was being played on Saturday and it was packed full of posters on the match day chat, why cant you so called supporters get off your arses and get to the games instead of sit glued behind a comp if you rate cloughie that much? most hypocritical post I've seen on here! You'll moan about rams player being too expensive next...

I've spent thousands travelling to games, sick of watching absolute ***** if truth be told. Jewell was the final straw for me , but when gse brought in a non league manager that was the nail on the head for a lot of supporters. Sterjovki, savage, Carroll, maguire, Martin...never endless list of rubbish I've seen over the years.

Same half a dozen people replying to each comment who don't ever seem to get to games themselves.

G star and sage, amount of times you're names pop up on a thread whenever something negative is said my God....

Don't mind negative things being said if they are constructive and are backed up by facts.

When I read things like this where it is obvious the poster just uses tripe to make a negative point against the club then yes I will defend them.

You won't go until we play attractive football or are in the Premier League? We are playing much better football now than when we were in the Premier League!

If you want to watch world class football every week switch allegiances to one of the Manchester clubs or Arsenal.

Do you not realise by staying away you are contributing to the problem rather than help solve it?

[Ambitious]

I like Clough for Derby County.

He isn't the best manager in the division, he isn't the worse. He has however managed to turn us around and create his own side and having him at the club brings a bit of personal feeling towards Derby County.

I wouldn't swap him for anyone in the division, but i'm not saying there aren't better managers either.

[Animal is a Ram]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20756500

I'm sure Bris will love Poyet even more for this..

Brighton boss Gus Poyet brands Championship 'average'

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has branded the Championship as an "average" division.

The Seagulls are eighth in the table, three points off the play-off places, despite only three wins in 15 games.

Poyet told [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sussex]BBC Sussex: "Without winning games we are there. It shows you how average this division is. Competitive, but average.

[Ambitious]

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20756500]http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20756500

I'm sure Bris will love Poyet even more for this..

Brighton boss Gus Poyet brands Championship 'average'

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has branded the Championship as an "average" division.

The Seagulls are eighth in the table, three points off the play-off places, despite only three wins in 15 games.

Poyet told [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sussex]BBC Sussex: "Without winning games we are there. It shows you how average this division is. Competitive, but average.

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He is right though, very competitive.

3 wins in 15 games is an awful record but they're up there, on the same points as us but as I previous said we're 4 points from 17th. If they don't win in the next 2 games, and Huddersfield (now 17th) win both they will go above them...

[EastKentRam]

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20756500]http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20756500

I'm sure Bris will love Poyet even more for this..

Brighton boss Gus Poyet brands Championship 'average'

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has branded the Championship as an "average" division.

The Seagulls are eighth in the table, three points off the play-off places, despite only three wins in 15 games.

Poyet told [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sussex]BBC Sussex: "Without winning games we are there. It shows you how average this division is. Competitive, but average.

Like us, if Brighton had better strikers they would be a much better side.

Their need for strikers is severe though, every home game they boss and create **** loads of opportunities. They had their pants pulled down paying £2.5 million for Craig Mackail Smith, i'd rather have Robinson any day of the week.

If they hadnt sold Glenn Murray they would probably be top 2, my old man said that it would be a massive mistake letting him go, couldnt have been more right.

[Albert]

Like us, if Brighton had better strikers they would be a much better side.

Their need for strikers is severe though, every home game they boss and create **** loads of opportunities. They had their pants pulled down paying £2.5 million for Craig Mackail Smith, i'd rather have Robinson any day of the week.

If they hadnt sold Glenn Murray they would probably be top 2, my old man said that it would be a massive mistake letting him go, couldnt have been more right.

They didn't sell him did they?

[Duracell]

You're being a bit wierd if you think Nigel Clough is the best manager in the league full stop, but there are very few managers suitable to our circumstances out there.

I saw someone say Mowbray, but would he really care enough about the club to stick around? He either doesn't do well and ruins his career, or does well and shoots off in what is meant to be a long term project. With a different board who wanted quick fire promotion then I'd twist, but who in football other than Clough sees Derby County as a plum job, who really cares what happens to the club in the long run and who will give our Academy a chance? There are some answers, but very few - and none of them currently manages a Championship side. Igor Stimac, maybe, but he's even less proven than Clough before he came here.

[EastKentRam]

They didn't sell him did they?

Well, offered him what he wanted on a new contract. So, no they didnt, my mistake.

[BOB BIGGS]

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I'm sure Bris will love Poyet even more for this..

Brighton boss Gus Poyet brands Championship 'average'

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Gus Poyet has branded the Championship as an "average" division.

The Seagulls are eighth in the table, three points off the play-off places, despite only three wins in 15 games.

Poyet told [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sussex]BBC Sussex: "Without winning games we are there. It shows you how average this division is. Competitive, but average.

And I thought Poyet was one of the better managers. Even he's saying that his team can't win games!

I've lived in the North East for nearly 30 years now. I have quite a few mates who are NUFC or Sunderland supporters. They often mention our excellent home gates. Wait until I tell them that there's a UK recession [although the rising poverty levels in the last 5 years might have alerted some of them] but that our attendances are mainly crashing because Nigel Clough is our manager. I tell you now - some won't believe it 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

[Albert]

You're being a bit wierd if you think Nigel Clough is the best manager in the league full stop, but there are very few managers suitable to our circumstances out there.

I saw someone say Mowbray, but would he really care enough about the club to stick around? He either doesn't do well and ruins his career, or does well and shoots off in what is meant to be a long term project. With a different board who wanted quick fire promotion then I'd twist, but who in football other than Clough sees Derby County as a plum job, who really cares what happens to the club in the long run and who will give our Academy a chance? There are some answers, but very few - and none of them currently manages a Championship side. Igor Stimac, maybe, but he's even less proven than Clough before he came here.

I don't really like rating managers by "who's the best", doesn't really make sense to me. Every job is different, some managers excel in certain circumstances and flounder in others (one of our previous managers for example). To me a good manager is the right man for the job, and for where we are right now and where we want to be, Clough seems like the man for the job.

Speaking of rating things though, I came up with a thought of rating all players who have played under Clough by the number of points per game we've gotten with them starting (excluding players who haven't played 10 or more games, and only rating those with 25 or more). I've done the defence and I'm working through the midfield at the moment, but any guesses who our "best left back" is by points per game? Under Clough of course.