kevinhectoring

Hoping the Jan Window will see an end to Warne’s fascination with Hourihane and Collins. No leadership from them, and performances are mediocre at least. One good game in five isn’tt good enough especially when Bird plays well below his talent with too many lacklustre performances.. Warne has to be brave and start dropping the big name non-performers.

The player is running into the box with the ball, Ward is behind him and there's a challenge which brings their player down. It couldn't be anything but a penalty.

Biggest error was the Collins yellow. Apart from that she was well above average. As for the pen a clever defender would have realised that with jw in goal best option after the schoolboy error was to marshall the rebound   We made our own bed

From where I sat, in my opinion the referee and officials got every single decision spot on.
We got what we deserved - a point.

LOAD OF BOLLOX

Barkhuizen   Should start 

Bigger punishment to keep him on, based on that first half.

Should sub a few of those on yellows at half time.
 Maybe all 5

It’s all relative , there’s players in league 1 who are athletes and talented footballers for this level , stick them in the prem you want to compare with and they are just athletes 

I understand the point but the last 'hurried' sale was from a position of total fragility hence why it went to s*** multiple times. We were a basket case attracting basket cases or a white knight, fortunately we got the latter. There's a fine line between success and failure, boom and bust. I guess I'm happy with us being boring for a bit and being run properly before we seek the next billionaire who gambles the club we love for a shot at the big time.
With DC I would argue we have a long way to go to out ourselves into a position of strength to sell and we should be inwardly focussed by building our own sustainability etc.
Once we are in that place, a buyer can add value. I don't see us being in that place for two years at least and if we are sustainably run and an attractive proposition in our own right then we should have the pick of suitors.
I accept at some point we will sell, I just think openly planning for it right now would be a sign of desperation but that's just my gut response. I think I have just had enough of all that drama, I am happy with the status quo and a period of stability. A future sale should happen because it's the right decision for the club long term rather than something we're desperately seeking to do right now. 

But I explicitly said that the two criteria most sought after in the perfect owner are dosh and good governance     The fact we want both of those things (and a few more) is good reason to start looking sooner rather than later. We have seen what damage can be caused by a hurried process to find a new owner 

But I explicitly said that the two criteria most sought after in the perfect owner are dosh and good governance     The fact we want both of those things (and a few more) is good reason to start looking sooner rather than later. We have seen what damage can be caused by a hurried process to find a new owner 

DC has been perfect for restoring the culture of the club. We needed that 
His family fortune - low hundreds of millions - might be enough. But it’s low for top club owners and here’s the problem. It’s not a fortune made by him. He’s a second generation custodian of it. So he will not spend with ambition. We saw this last summer. We might see it in January. The stated 5 year plan certainly shows only very modest ambition. I’d think that bar a catastrophic run of results, any move to sack Warne is unlikely simply because of the cost. And when we gain promotion I fear we will not even begin to compete with the parachute brigade - not under DC. 
 
Plenty of fans on here are saying: money doesn’t matter, success is more about player recruitment and good football management. Well of course those things matter too, but history and common sense indicate money certainly matters greatly. ( I think many of those fans might actually be saying they wish it didn’t matter so much; and I’m with them on that.)
The reason focus is needed is that our glory days are behind us: if we languish in this div for long, and we could, we become a div 1 club. Our gates shrink and our grand old club becomes a decrepit grand hotel on the seafront of a fading seaside town. And with the rise of the Asian billionaires, more and more of the clubs we are competing with are owned by seriously wealthy people, who will spend and some of who will be successful.
 
It’s not ‘disingenuous’ to say that many of our fans don’t care about that perfect owner. You have a bundle of posts above this one where people say: why should Clowes look for a wealthy owner when money doesn’t matter ; and why do we need a wealthy owner when all I want is a club to support ?
Who is that perfect owner? I have said that I reckon the owner most likely to bring ambition and good governance would be a US sports franchise owner or possibly a long term US institutional investor (like Birmingham’s owner). An institutional investor with a shorter investment horizon (eg a private equity fund) would be less ideal. That said, there would be Asian and other billionaires out there who could take us to the top, but that’s a much more high risk owner. I certainly think you want a single person or entity in control. 
 
Perhaps some soft marketing of the club is on-going, who knows? Some posters seem to think so
 
Finding the right owner for the long term needs planning and care - it’s a hard thing to do and it matters. I hope someone is getting on with it 

IMO CH is an integral part of the team, not all players need to run at pace, he constantly delivers key passes that create good opportunities from both open play and set pieces. Could we get better, of course, do I believe that we have anyone at the club better than doing the job he has been tasked to do, not IMO.

It's about finding balance. You can just about manage to carry the likes of Hourihane when he's the only one you're having to carry. With Korey Smith injured, the midfield has worked much better than it had done with both Smith and Hourihane in it. We still do need a bit more pace though, we would be in serious trouble if NML got injured.

Warne has dampened expectations by telling us that we should not expect it to be ‘amazing’.  😞  (daily podcast) 
I fear we will be selling footballers and buying athletes 

I think you can understand why so many fans don't really want to think about the next owner and will want to avoid an 'ambitious' billionaire who just throws money at the club though. Been there, done that, got the points deduction.
There are as many, if not more, pitfalls of having a club that suddenly has an epic injection of cash. Lots of clubs have landed themselves in a mess as a result of this, and money doesn't necessarily buy success at all, there are as many examples of things going tits up as there are of Champions League trophies.
The whole fabric of the club changes, the culture gets thrown out of the window and decisions are made seemingly based for PR rather than football reasons. You only have to look at Birmingham for an example of that, there are many more where everything that came before gets thrown out of the window just because someone is willing to throw some money around on players.
I don't disagree that DC will want to sell at some point but given that his stated values include integrity and sustainability, I would seriously hope that the eventual sale will be done with utmost care to retain the stability and culture of the club that he will have built from the ground up.
I don't think you should be surprised that loads of us don't really want to engage with any club ownership chat at the moment. We should know more than most how chasing the dream can come crashing down so I for one hope that DC is with us for a good few years before we get back into the circus tent.

Warne has dampened expectations by telling us that we should not expect it to be ‘amazing’.  😞  (daily podcast) 
I fear we will be selling footballers and buying athletes 

Warne has dampened expectations by telling us that we should not expect it to be ‘amazing’.  😞  (daily podcast) 
I fear we will be selling footballers and buying athletes 

Not sure what your point is. Your last paragraph misstates the legal position btw
Perhaps your point is that the two transactions were necessary independent  because the owners of the assets were different. I’m not sure that’s right - it’s easy for two separate transactions to be inter conditional. The reason they were separate was because when he bought the stadium he didn’t think he was going to buy the club 

There’s a bit of a difference between selling a record and selling a football club/stadium. Here’s the thing:
 if you keep the club/ stadium in a special purpose company, then when it comes to selling you can either the shares of the company that owns the asset; or you can sell the asset. Those two transactions have completely different tax implications. 
 
that’s why I said holding the assets in single purpose vehicles beneath CDuk gives added flexibility when it comes to disposal  
 

We want just one owner, and the right one  

This below is from the clowes announcement re the stadium purchase. It suggests they bought MM’s company, not the stadium itself (tho the wording is a bit strange)
 
If that’s right and the stadium owning company was later dissolved (in late 2022?), then the stadium would presumably have been hived up to Clowes Dev (U.K.) Ltd after the purchase. That would make sense because  at that stage the transaction was intra group so free of taxes  
The lease that was in place when the stadium owning company was purchased would simply have ceased to exist when the lessee and lessor became the same person (ie on the hive up). So no rental payable
 
Clowes Developments would like to formally thank all parties involved in the deals to date.  Collectively we have paved the way for a positive outcome for the future of Derby County Football Club.  We would like to take the opportunity to thank our respective teams of professional advisors who have helped us to successfully purchase the Company that owned Pride Park Stadium, secure the loan agreement and confirm the submission of a bid to purchase the Club.

The promotions he won Rotherham gave him a solid and long term base of support I’d imagine.  And I think the Rotherham fan base don’t hold the view many of us do that div 1 is beneath us. So in Rotherham he was a popular figure who really was the boss. That’s why he has been careless when he talks about players imo

Some of the criticism on here and at PP has been quite cutting. It’s a new thing for him.  I think he may have found it hard to cope with and I think it leaves him a bit lost as to how to project himself in the media. The quirky chirpy cheeky chappy doesn’t play if the crowd are calling for his bobble hat 

Yep !  You can kind of get Gibson .. felt done, bit spoilt, got in an anger groove very much like any of us when we get on a rant. It’s stupid from the outside with calm reflection, but when your in it you just can’t help yourself.
The Wycombe guy is just a smart talking wide boy shyster who thinks he’s clever and was looking to score for himself to someone else’s disadvantage without a single ounce of fact, morality or sportsmanship. Cowboy opportunist. Did it because he could. Right or wrong doesn’t matter one jot.