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    vonwright got a reaction from Eatonram in The Administration Thread   
    This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
    Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
    The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
    You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
    As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.
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    vonwright got a reaction from i-Ram in The Administration Thread   
    This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
    Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
    The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
    You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
    As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Indyram in The Administration Thread   
    This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
    Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
    The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
    You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
    As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.
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    vonwright got a reaction from archram in The Administration Thread   
    This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
    Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
    The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
    You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
    As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.
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    vonwright got a reaction from strawhillram in The Administration Thread   
    This is a really important point. Clearly I blame Morris for us being in administration, and the scale of our (real) debts. But it's infuriating hearing the EFL trying to both legitimise and minimise the Boro and Wycombe claims ('They must be heard!' 'They might be football debts and payable in full!' 'You can't move forward until these are dealt with!' but also 'These claims aren't the real problem!')
    Well the administrators, whose job it is to sell the club, think they are a problem. Would-be buyers clearly think they are a problem. And common sense says they would be a problem. Who spends £30m or £40m on a sticker business when you might be told you need to be tens of millions more somewhere down the line?
    The EFL is also suggesting there's no deal with HMRC, and that's supposedly the administrators' fault. How can there be when we don't know if these claimants are creditors at all, or football creditors, or unsecured creditors, or how much they are supposedly due?
    You'd think the EFL would be more worried about the precedent of clubs effectively suing each other for damages on top of the EFL's own agreed penalties for P and S breaches that happened years ago under owners who are no longer around. Is that where we want to be? 
    As I've said before, i don't think this is a story with just one villain.
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    vonwright reacted to Wolfie20 in Birmingham City (H) Matchday Thread   
    Think it's the usual 3-4 pages 
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    vonwright got a reaction from Ramarena in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from LeedsCityRam in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from RadioactiveWaste in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from r_wilcockson in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Dean (hick) Saunders in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Kathcairns in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Indy in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from strawhillram in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Day in The Administration Thread   
    There is obviously a risk in all this if it brings clarity that has to be good. We need to know what we 'owe' these clubs - whether that's £0 or £50m. And the EFL, and the clubs, need to know that too. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to find a buyer. 
    At the moment Boro and Wycombe have completely undue influence over the process, which the EFL is enabling, whether through weakness ('We are just here to act as an honest broker! We love all the clubs equally! Please don't ask us who is right or wrong!') or something more sinister. We are basically being held to ransom ('We know you can't sell while our claims are unsettled, and if you don't sell you get liquidated, so make us an offer and this can all go away...') And that's intolerable, and unfair, if those claims have no merit.
    Even if it is decided that we owe Boro and Wycombe £50m how much worse off are we? They could still accept a far lower sum if they were serious about not wanting to force us out of business. And if they didn't we'd get liquidated and they'd get nothing anyway. So at least their motivation would be clear.
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    vonwright reacted to Day in The Administration Thread   
    I've had a Derby fan also mention me this morning that shared the guys views in the video so he's not the only one. (This is just to show proof, do not go and flood his mentions)
    I can only guess that some are unable to separate why we entered administration and what is preventing us from leaving administration.
    I actually mistook him for a Boro fan at first as I've had a few like this now since sharing the video.
    Let's be perfectly clear here and I won't make the mistake of talking on behalf of Derby fans.
    I am personally not blaming Boro or Wycombe for the situation we find ourselves in.
    What I am blaming Boro and Wycombe for is their claims against Derby as they are a huge obstacle in leaving administration.
    Claims which I believe have no merit and completely laughable.
    Had it not been for these claims, it's quite possible we could have been out of administration now and embargo, yet we're still here wracking up administrator fees having to fight these.
    And when I say Boro and Wycombe, I'm not talking about the fans, players, staff but Gibson and Couhig.
    As far as I'm aware, Boro fans were not complaining about our "cheating" costing them a place in the play offs, only now since the claims are under a spotlight have they come out to defend Gibson and attack our club.
    Which I get. Totally get. But please don't twist this into blaming Boro and Wycombe for the entire mess as it's simply not true.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Dordogne-Ram in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Ram@Lincoln in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Ram@Lincoln in The Administration Thread   
    Sky does on-the-record interview with Parry about how they are the good guys who will 'work night and day' to save Derby.
    In the same story, 'a source' regurgitates old figures to paint Derby as a massive financial basket case that no one would buy.
    Whoever could this source possibly be?
    If only we had a shortlist of senior people involved in league football that the journalist had spoken to that day!
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    vonwright got a reaction from Zag zig in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Chester40 in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Ramarena in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Carnero in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from r_wilcockson in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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    vonwright got a reaction from Kathcairns in The Administration Thread   
    It's also remarkable that this 'source' - let's call then Phnarry - is shocked and stunned by a championship club having £60m of total debts, but apparently completely cool with another championship club demanding £40m compensation from a liquidation-threatened rival for finishing seventh rather than sixth.
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