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Cheltenham 0-2 Derby 

frgs- Barkhuizen 

Derby 1-3 Portsmouth

FRGS Waghorn

Once we’ve got players back from injury I’d like to see something close to this:

                           Wildsmith 

Ward      Nelson        Cashin        Fozzy 

                Fornah                 Bird

   NML                  Sibley         Thompson

                           Waghorn 

Other options in each position:

GK- Vickers

RB- Wilson (Smith could also drop back there)

CB- Bradley (Forsyth could move across too)

LB- Elder

CM- Hourihane, Smith, Robinson, Radcliffe 

CAM- Embleton

Wingers- Barkhuizen, Richards

Strikers- John-Jules, Collins, Washington, Brown

- Feel there’d be so much more energy in this side, which would obviously help significantly with trying to press.

- Wanna see Robinson, Radcliffe, Richards and Brown in and around the first team, and given significant minutes in the Papa Johns Trophy. Brown, Robinson and Radcliffe were all regular features in preseason yet can’t get a minute on the pitch.

- Thompson to play his sort of inverted number 10 role where he comes inside when we’re on the ball like he was before his injury.

To those who say we can’t afford to sack Warne, why on earth would we appoint someone we financially cannot sack? That would be an incredibly reckless and risky decision and something that a football club shouldn’t ever do, imagine if he had us sat in the relegation zone and we had to keep him because we’d put ourselves in that position, it’s insanity, there’s no chance we literally cannot get rid of him, not that I’m saying we should 

1 hour ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

Those stats show practically identical xG despite playing a whole half nearly with 10 men, with a performance even the manager wasn’t happy with first half hour. Doesn’t show the chasm of difference some have been implying on here. Bolton had 71% of the ball and barely created anything. Can’t also deny the material impact the ref had on this game.

Also - just a reminder - we’re only SIX GAMES into the season in what is a wide open league with no stand out teams. We have ELEVEN new players so to throw last year into it is largely irrelevant.
 

Those who want Warne out now thank goodness you’re not David Clowes. 
 

I don’t care what Bolton were doing I care about our performances, we could barely string two passes together, including all the stoppage time we averaged 1.05 successful passes per minute, that is grim, I really don’t want to watch that sort of football for the rest of the season. You say it’s 11 new players but the starting 11 has largely been made up of the squad that was already here last season, certainly for the first few games, and we’ve seen all the same issues as we were seeing during our dip in form last season. 1 shot on target in 90 minutes of football coming from a penalty is simply unacceptable, whether Bolton were poor or not.

22 minutes ago, Curtains said:

That’s your prerogative.

I enjoyed the away games at Burton and Peterborough they were brilliant days out. .

Still had a good time in Bolton but didn’t enjoy the result .

I don’t care about anything other than the result sorry. 

I think we’re going round in circles so this is the last thing I’ll say, I want to watch a football team that I can feel proud of and optimistic about, I was really flat after the Fleetwood game because I just found nothing in that performance to make me look forward to watching the next game. I hated the football we played under Rowett but at least I knew what his tactics were and what his gameplan was, I didn’t like it, but I understood it, I genuinely don’t see what Warne is trying to do, talks up a big pressing athletic game but signs loads of ageing players and is reluctant to give our young talent a go. I remember a game away at Bristol under Cocu where we lost 3-2 having been 3-0 down but we genuinely played really well throughout the game and took the game to Bristol whilst having some young players on the pitch and Bird who’d just broken through, we dominated the ball and had plenty of shots, yet I see how we play now even when we win sometimes and feel completely flat about what I’m watching because there’s no real end goal to it, just complete short termism from most of the recruitment to the team selection to the way we set out on the pitch, I genuinely can’t even tell our formation most of the time.

5 hours ago, Curtains said:

Derby are appealing Wildsmith sending off has they have proof he didn’t handle outside box. 
Another injustice.

What a terrible Ref and linesman 

I disagree with you saying we were as bad with 11

 

The ref was awful yes and he gave lord of decisions against us, but to be quite frank I really don’t care what the refs are doing, they’re the same every week. I care about what we’re doing and how we’re performing and whether or not we’re genuinely trying to be positive in our play each game. The reality is with 11 men we had 8 percent of the ball in the opening minutes and didn’t register a single shot until the 26th minute, once again we had one single shot on target in the entire game which came from a penalty, it’s unacceptable, I’m normally a glass half full fan and I don’t post too much when I feel really negative but I feel so unenthusiastic about what I’m watching 

2 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Yes they had more possession especially 2nd half when we had 10 men but they didn’t create a lot. .

Rooney getting injured first half disrupted us be we still took the lead. 
 

Possession stats don’t always tell the full story .

Brian Clough won loads of games 1-0 with backs to the wall stuff .

Again we had 1 shot on target and it was a penalty, weren’t exactly knocking on the door. Yes Rooney getting injured was unfortunate but I expect a seasoned professional who calls himself a championship centre half, who was also Warne’s big singing in Sonny Bradley to come on and perform adequately and not set up the opposition 1 on 1 with our keeper again. Bolton were running rings round us from minute 1. And with all due respect, I don’t really care what Brian Clough was doing over 30 years before I was born when players were still having pie and chips before kick off, we should not be performing like that in any fixture at this level injuries or not, and we were at least as bad with 11 as we were with 10.

5 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Osula went in January back to Sheff U .

We are certainly not weaker  now .

Just watched the highlights on Rams Tv and it’s as I thought when I was at the game on Saturday we were robbed .

Smith tackled outside box so no penalty for me.

We shouldn’t have had to take our penalty as we had already scored .

They scored the winner with looping deflection off Fornah from a cross leaving Vickers out of position.

We were the team pressing at the end of the game with 10 men .

Reality is we ain’t that bad 

1 solitary shot on target, which was a penalty. We played 48 minutes plus stoppage time with 11 men and still looked so poor, we only looked a threat from set pieces, potentially the worst on the ball I’ve ever seen us, 119 accurate passes with 57% pass accuracy is genuinely disgusting, there was games last season where Cashin did over 100 on his own, when we beat Man United away under Lampard Bradley Johnson had over 50 in the opposition half, so in a 90+ minute spell to have 119 accurate passes is awful, add to that after 3 minutes Bolton had 92% of the possession. I’ve never felt so unenthusiastic about watching us play, particularly after the injuries to Rooney and Thompson, not one part of me can be bothered to watch 9/10 ageing players look like they’ve never met each other for 90 minutes. I just wanna see something to feel optimistic about, an intention to play entertaining and attacking football and to see some of our exciting young players used in a way that can utilise the best of their abilities. I’m actually missing Cocu at the minute because at least I knew and liked what he wanted us to do.

Mel Morris did in fact start our new holding midfielder as a number 10 yesterday and selected NML to play wing back, he also told Josh Vickers to let the ball float over his head and hand picked Sonny Bradley as our new marquee defender.

Bolton 2-1 Derby

Waghorn FRGS

Peterborough 4-0 Derby

Derby 0-1 Fleetwood

Derby 1-1 Oxford 

FRGS Mendez-Laing

Dobbin came on for Everton too

Burton 1-0 Derby

                            Wildsmith 

         Nelson        Forsyth (C)      Cashin

Ward                                                       Elder
                     Smith          Bird

                          Thompson

                 Collins            Waghorn

Subs- Vickers, Bradley, Wilson, Hourihane, Sibley (or Brown), NML, Washington 

- Not encouraged by the back 3 so far but it should work better away from home if it’s executed well, think a back 4 should come in if we can’t get a result with the 3 in this one though. 

- We looked a lot better (still incredibly flat) after half time on Tuesday, so the changes made at half time come in from the start, Thompson gives us way more energy in midfield and Bird looks so much better playing deep. If Smith Bird and Hourihane are all starting again I might cry.

- Not fun trying to decide who should play up top, NML is the only with pace but the system really doesn’t suit him, and Collins is the only one with any sort of clinical goal record, but not recently. Waghorn is probably the best forward at the club and he can bring us something in terms of creativity if we get the right people around him, though equally Washington could start instead, but it doesn’t matter who starts up top if they don’t get service.

                              Vickers

           Rooney       Bradley     Cashin

Wilson                  Robinson                  Elder

           Thompson                    Bird

                 Brown              Washington 

Subs- Loach, Fozzy, Ward, Smith, Hourihane, Radcliffe, NML, Collins, Waghorn (assuming all is confirmed by then)

- 9 subs allowed in the cup I believe? Rooney and Thompson need to be playing games whenever they can so I want to see them starting basically every cup fixture if they aren’t starting in the league. Still allows Bradley and Cashin to gel as part of that back 3. Want to see Robinson and Brown at least getting a decent amount of minutes (20-30) if they don’t start, how are they going to prove themselves if we never give them the opportunity? Would like to see Brown play surrounded by first team level players, felt like most of his preseason minutes came towards the end of games when we were giving lots of young players minutes.

- Actually think this midfield might be better suited to the system than the one we saw on Saturday, obviously Robinson is an unknown quantity but there’s plenty of energy and legs and in Bird and Thompson you have a midfield pairing that played a good number of games together in the championship. I feel that Bird is better suited to the roles that Hourihane and Smith were playing on Saturday, where he can make interceptions and tackles, which for me are possibly his biggest strength, and have more time to pick his passes.

48 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Crazy idea only because Warne needs his team to go up this season. If he doesn’t achieve that he will be toast with many fans. He isn’t going to chance a young, raw striker when he thinks Sharp or Rhodes offers him greater certainty of short term gain. 

Is prioritising short term gain by giving over the hill players contracts rather than putting some faith in young talent not part of what put us here in the first place? Yet when we finally had our hand forced into playing said young talent they performed above what anyone could’ve asked or expected of them. I’d argue there’s equally as much if not more risk in giving a deal to a 37 year old Billy Sharp who scored two goals last season, hasn’t had a preseason and at that age may not even be able to find the fitness to play regularly without frequent injury, and makes he absolutely no sense when what we’re lacking is some pace and energy, he’s the opposite of what we need. At least Brown will be able to provide some energy up top, and how are we ever meant to know if these youngsters are good enough if they don’t get game time? 

Derby 2-0 Wigan

FRGS Collins

1 hour ago, Srg said:

Never. 

 

Next suggestion please

Again I also don’t think we should sign him, I just asked if Warne looks at someone like him on a free at some stage, considering we’re clearly struggling to sign a striker 

Before anyone jumps at me I’m not actually suggesting we should sign him because I think it would be counter productive to the way we want to play, but with the struggle to sign a striker at what point does Warne look at someone like Chris Martin? 17 goals and 6 assists in the league across the last 2 seasons, in comparison Rhodes has 8 goals and 3 assists and Waghorn has 3 goals and 2 assists, Sharp has 16 goals and 8 assists, though you could argue he was playing in the best team out of all of them. We’ve already tried for Rhodes, according to some might go for Billy Sharp, and Waghorn has been on trial, I think out of all of them Waghorn probably suits our style best if you take overall goal contributions out of the equation. I think with all the mitigating circumstances and his age I’d be very opposed to Sharp, and Rhodes looks like a no go. By the way I think Martin would want more than we can offer, but just some food for thought, again I don’t think we should sign him, not opposed to the suggestion of Lyle Taylor though.

5 hours ago, Magicman said:

He is 20 and given opportunities last season. 

Wouldn’t call 0 league minutes much of an opportunity, was also our best player in the cup win against West Brom, kept high quality experienced wingers very quiet

Vickers

Harding

Smith 

Bonnis

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