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30 minutes ago, angieram said:

I'd rather you didn't put the boot in repeatedly ad nauseam, yes. 

You are one of the worst offenders in that respect, imo.

You seem totally unaware of the effect of your negativity on others.

And don't twist my words.

I didn't twist your words for one minute, if you don't like me "putting the boot in repeatedly" then feel free to ban me, i thought a forum was for people to voice their opinions /concerns. I am just saying how i see it all developing,that's not being negative.

I still think that Rooney and the lads have performed miracles this season but that doesn't distract from the off field issues.

2 hours ago, Curtains said:

So did you go last night to support the lads like I did ! 

Since i have had really bad health i haven't been able to get to matches but rather than watch on the Red button i'm still doing my bit by watching it on RamsTV. I have been a fan/supporter since the 70's home and away,so don't have a pop at me asking if i went last night and as for a moderator actually clapping that comment beggars belief.

7 minutes ago, angieram said:

I totally agree with this, but I am still miserable. All the uncertainty over the football club is slowly killing me.

The only release has been the good performances on the pitch, spirited fightbacks, joy of watching our best youngsters breaking through to first team and some of the great football we have played.

We don't seem to be getting any luck, on or off the pitch and the relentless negativity of some of our own so called supporters on here grinds me down. 

Whatever happens, I am proud of Rooney and his management team, our players and those fans who give their all, week in, week out, whatever the performance. 

So are you saying we should all be happy clappers,that everything is going to be alright,that we have bidders fighting amongst themselves who is going to buy the club and spend millions rebuilding the threadbare squad we have, ignoring the fact the bidders seem to want to buy the club as cheaply as they can. The reason for the negativity is because of the situation the club has been placed in or would you rather that those "so called supporters" with "negativity" remain quiet and assume everything is hunky-dory and there is nothing to worry about

4 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

I can think of one bloke who should still be at the forefront when it comes to blame and fan frustration.

I don't think the ref was that bad tonight.

7 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

Sunderland were bought recently and with a very good owner. why would prospective owners buy a championship at a certain price now  when it can be picked up cheaper in a few weeks time. The only assets are a one club city and a good fan base and that is it i am afraid.

I know what you mean but the debts still remain the same, i don't think Sunderland faced the same problem.

1 minute ago, Ellafella said:

Despite the gloom we need to get our heads up. The cards were dealt way back. Let’s get this out of our system and turn up at PP on Saturday with dignity and pride. It isn’t over yet. 

Tonights injuries won't help.

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

Don't fanny around with the ball at the back. That would be a good start. 

Other teams have seen how we play and if they press they know we always have a mistake in us.

With Plange moving on next season he is probably worried about picking up a serious injury,if that's in his mind set you can't blame him. Doesn't seem to work selling a player then keeping him on loan

We just seem to have lost the plot when they started strong in the 2nd half,whether to attack or defend and we got caught like a rabbit in headlights. 

16 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Has anyone checked that quantuma are a legitimate business and are still actively trading and still operating at the club, rather than pocketing the proceeds from the sales of Kellyman and Plange and sodded off on an all expenses paid trip to Benidorm? They do seem alarmingly quiet. 

After Mels track record with Gabay, Samuelson and Alonso it wouldn't suprise me if Mel got the number for Quantuma from the small ads at the back of the Sunday Sport.

 

I knew i had seen the name Quantuma before.

1 hour ago, David said:

We'll all do it, some are just more active than others!

You'll find that age creeps up on you in time and it's nourishment not punishment that you prefer.

3 hours ago, Anon said:

"Three dimensional chess" or just "chess", as it's more commonly known.

OK mate.

2 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Hi.  Me again!  (Sorry... Just trying to catch up!).

I said don't fret about.  You'll make yersen ill!   

Mel

  I don't fret about anything i have no control over.

22 minutes ago, RAM1966 said:

That's appreciated I think the EFL will be under severe pressure to keep us in the league though....

I thought that fate rested with the other 71 clubs in the EFL.

2 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Don't you worry about that.  I'll sort that out, at very favourable terms, and you have my word on that.  Never let anyone down yet, me!

Regards,
Mel.

If only that were true.

3 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Forgotten...Who are we posting about?‍♂️

Joz

23 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Ha he is a good poster .

I agree with his loyalty to the Rams .

Maybe others should take note as we only have one club and slagging them off serves no purpose whatsoever 

Don't think anybody is slagging the club off, how it's been run yes,some people seem to think everything is OK and that we will exit administration and live happily ever after, others see the complications of administration and the fact that we may never exit it,even if we do it may be nothing like the club it is now. Just because some people see it that way doesn't mean they are being disloyal to the club or want the club to go out of existence.

1 minute ago, CBRammette said:

I had forgotten his injury also which someone else pointed out

So had i.

2 minutes ago, CBRammette said:

Totally random thought but still think jozwiak deal really strange. Why would he want to go there in world cup year? Why didnt we just sell in January or agree for him to go back home in lieu of payments then being cancelled? Just seems really strange. Sorry will go back to work now. 

Perhaps his old club didn't want him back and preferred the cash, MLS is only a few weeks into a new season and he possibly knew he had no future with us. 

9 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

I was confused by this. I think the plan was the buyer would pay £50m and we would exit admin debt free.
 

But since £50m is obviously a stretch for a div1 club, it’s quite possible some MSD debt  might roll over and/or MM might take some sort of subordinated loan   

That all depends whether the creditors agree,if unsecured creditors are offered 25% HMRC will be looking and demanding more.

35 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

It wouldn't be a phoenix club it would be the same club but a phoenix company.

If we go bust it is the club that goes bust,the company is the club so it would be a phoenix club however you look at it.

1 hour ago, RAM1966 said:

This is my opinion!

Going back to the sale, I think only one creditor is being awkward that the one who owns the stadium.

I'm sumising this based on unsecured creditors being about £6m, that only £1.5m @ 25%.....  Surely no buyer is going to take -15pts to save that and risk further relegation?

HMRC also appear to be accommodating from whats been said.

However to make the whole club saleable, somone needs to be realisic and realise that the club isnt worth taking on in Lg1 with £60m in debts.  Particularly with only 1/2 a first team squad.

Mel needs to get real and realise that he is going to have to take a hit on the stadium sale.  Its reported he wants at least enough to clear his debt to MSD believed to be around £25m, its not going to happen.

I cannot see anything else holding up this process and once again his poor decision making is going to cost him deatly.  Why?  I think Appleby is shrewd and will not offer above the odds, but, will want the stadium as part of the deal.  However Ashley will happily let us go bust (could be the best option right now) then buy the Stadium at a cut price offer and start at the bottom of league 2. 

If/Once we are liquidated, there  would be no way on earth that Mel is going to get anything close to £25m for a stadium with no team to play in it.  I think the council would also refuse any planning applications for change of use or demolition.

So theres a high stakes poker game being played out, Mels already all in on money borrowed against his MSD credit card, sweating in the hope that either Ashley or Appleby will call and give him the money he wants to walk away debt free.  If they fold he could be left with a hugh debt at high interest rates on a white elephant he cant actually fund.

Mel wake up and smell the coffee, you need to put your hand in your pockets one ladt time.....

 

 

If we go bust there is no guarantee that a phoenix club will be allowed to remain in the league at any level,it might be a tier or Two below league 2.

Just now, Tamworthram said:

Who says it has to be over 2 years? Maybe the new buyer (if there is one ?) would prefer to pay them off in one go?

 

They might do but as we have seen the bid needs to be higher than the Binnies so no one is going to pick the club up on the cheap. If they pay them off in one go at 25% we are still under a restrictive business plan from the EFL.

1 minute ago, Tamworthram said:

Are you suggesting we’re at an impasse then if the creditors wouldn’t accept 25% (as an example) but the new owners wouldn’t be happy to even pay that amount?

I am just saying that even if creditors agree to 25% over 2 years that is over £400K per month (£500K if you include ground rent) to pay out before even recruiting more players to bring the squad up to strength. It might just be that the estimated income especially in League 1 doesn't cover the expenditure.Just my opinion and it hasn't changed,i can't see HMRC accepting 25% anyway.

49 minutes ago, Hanny said:

You are 100% correct. The creditors don't care about the club...they care about money. That's why I don't understand the thinking that a money motivated entity will refuse money based on some principle that it's not enough. 

This isn't a situation of being insulted, and drawing a line in the sand. The creditors want to get paid. The only way they get paid, is if Derby find a new owner. They get nothing if Derby get liquidated. 

It would be bad bu csiness by the creditors if they were to feel insulted, and draw an imaginary line in the sand while dealing with a club on the brink of liquidation. 

I agree it would be bad business but they might want more, you also have to look at the situation were if there is an agreement with creditors to accept 25% (even though i doubt that HMRC will think that good enough) that means the new owners will be paying out over £400K per month for 2 years just satisfying the creditors,that is before player salaries,ground rent if they can't buy the ground and all the other associated costs,that needs paying even in the closed season when we have no money coming in. Will new owners be happy taking that on especially if we get relegated or will the administrators say it is not a viable proposition.