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1 hour ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

Why would they, the man has got the wedge. He should be at the front of the queue. I dont like him but beggars and all that

Folks are saying it could be done in days,the man has got the wedge,now it's obvious he doesn't want to pay what CK was otherwise he wouldn't be going to the media. If his offer is less the administrators can't simply accept it,they have to put it back to creditors who may say he offers the same or we don't accept.

1 hour ago, LERam said:

Basically....

My bid isn't as high as the others but it is 100% safe, so go for me now and know it will be sorted or I'm out of here 

We shouldn't expect the owners to care as much as us but it shows his total non attachment to the club and fans. He isn't bothered if the club go under or not. 

Then again we had local boy and massive fan Mel so does that matter?

He is playing on the fans nerves by getting the media to do his dirty work for him.

"I have offered x amount but the administrators have declined it,now the club will be liquidated"

Doesn't like being on the losing end of takeover talks me thinks.

2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Well, does depend on what exactly he is willing to transact as well.

If his offer doesn't realise more money than selling all the contracted players in liquidation then he either increases his offer or shuts up.

Just standing behind the media to do his shouting for him hoping that someone will crack doesn't give a good feeling.

He will want to pay peanuts but knows it won't be accepted so is making out he is the hard done to party.

9 minutes ago, Ram1988 said:

The problem is the longer they are in place the more their bill will continue to raise and the chance of liquidation will increase. I'd rather get them out and settle a bill with them later.

There would be no settling the bill with them later,it would be straightaway,if we couldn't pay then they would file for liquidation.

Just now, B4ev6is said:

At least couple of weeks ago.

I thought the ground would only be bought if Kirchner got the club.

3 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

It already happened stadium been brought mate.

When?

13 minutes ago, Boycie said:

Here here! They aren’t fit for purpose in my opinion.

We don't know how complex the situation is/has been,i dare say if there is an investigation into their conduct they would get exonerated.

They and only they know the real problems that have been placed in front of them.

10 minutes ago, sheffieldram said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what happens to the fees Quantuma are expecting if we end up being liquidated?

Where do they get their money from if we have no assets and what is Mel Morris going to do with a football ground that has no team to play in it?

Mike Ashley thinks (as we all do ) that the admins fees are unacceptably high and surely he has the advantage at the moment? Getting some payment would be better than nothing at all for Quantuma?

Mike Ashley has not got on in business as well as he has without knowing how to drive a deal.

 

From the sale of players who are still in contract.

32 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Can any club prove funding for a whole season?. All clubs are making losses, so if their owner pulls the plug they too will be out of money during the season. So if EFL withdraw membership from Derby for no other reaosn than they cannot prove something that no other club can prove either, then the EFL will only be proving what we know already , that they have a vendetta against Derby.  

We would be starting the season in administration,if another owner pulls the plug during the season then they would enter administration and limp on month to month same as we did to finish the season

27 minutes ago, Charliegeorge1962 said:

The whole thing regarding going into admin, Quantuma and CK has been a dam right shambles.

Had enough of the saga now, off to Greece for some ?.

 

Kirchner has a plane at his disposal,if you tweet him nice he might fly you out,save all this faffing at the airport.

1 hour ago, TomG said:

Quanuma are doing all they can to get a deal done......except talking to Mike Ashley???

Would you deal with someone who didn't want to pay you?

1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:

Don’t get it.  Just can’t understand how Q can appoint CK as pb - and sign an spa with him - without first ensuring there will be no ‘logistical’ issues that stand in the way of completion 

The administrators may well have been under the impression there wouldn't be logistical issues why would they,he would have shown them proof of money in the bank in Dollars not bitcoin,whether that money was ever transferred is open to question,he has probably shown them proof of it being sent and it may have done only to be stopped somewhere along the way.

There is only one person who can answer that.

19 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

Just seen CK in a prawn shop so not looking good I’m afraid. 

Was he buying the Shrimps?.

27 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Now I know you shouldn't believe everything (i.e. 99%) on Twitter, but one tweeter has said a thing that's got me thinking and worried.

Q will make more money via liquidation than if MA gets the club. (TFR football - and no cant link, twitters on a different device) 

Leading to the logic that if any other bidders cant get the funds / investors back then it could be over.

Probably nonsense because a) who knows what MA is going to offer and b) that might change in negotiations but I need some of the brighter minds here to remind me I'm an over reacting numpty that'll believe anything!

 

The administrators could possibly do that.

27 minutes ago, simmoram1995 said:

So Dorsett reckons large number of investors have pulled out of their perspective deals in the Appleby and Morgan groups.

Ashley refusing to pay Admin fees 

 

Kirchner giving all the excuses under the sun like a child with a poor homework habit and today it’s been revealed Slyc owe money to sponsors and some long term employees haven’t been paid!

 

I seriously see it coming down to these

 

A) local consortium Gadsby etc buy the club 

B) liquidation 

C) what I hope in all of this take the hit on points, get Ashley and cashley basically says I am not paying your fees due to incompetence and if you’re not happy see you in court! Ashley won against Newcastle 

Don't think Ashley was dealing against administrators in Newcastle case.

1 minute ago, sage said:

We can have a full season in admin if the creditors will wait. 

Out income will allow us to be mid table in League One. 

We can indeed but i would imagine that being in administration before the season starts the EFL will want proof of funding to complete the season and not hope from month to month.

1 minute ago, Big Trav said:

Do you think the if/once the EFL take the ‘golden share’ away from derby county that we’ll just keep trading and operating? The EFL not might directly liquidate us but can effectively do so 

Then if MA wants the club as much as is being spouted then he ups his offer. If he doesn't want to pay the administrators that's on his shoulders not Quantunas.

Just now, Big Trav said:

To summarise what’s happening is, MA putting the EFL between a rock and a hard place. EFL have to either decide to liquidate derby or force the admins to take MA’s deal. If Derby liquidate the EFL will lose a good chunk of money and will almost certainly be some form of external investigation. The admins will pretty much have to accept MA’s offer as it’s the only one on the table. If the admins don’t accept it then it could be argued they are t getting the best deal for creditors. It’s a big game of chess rn 

No matter how many times you repeat it the EFL cannot interfere with the administration of the club,the administrators don't have to accept anything,they are only reportable to the judiciary.

2 minutes ago, ramboy63 said:

No wont happen,this is MA tactics wait and see last ditch and the Admins will cave in and sell to Ashley for a knockdown price

Any other deal has to be put to the creditors,not as simple as just selling at any price.

1 minute ago, Big Trav said:

What I understand is that Ashley is arguing with the EFL that by the admins refusing to deal with him are therefore not doing their jobs correctly. I’m not too clued up on administrative stuff but Ashley’s believes the EFL will be able to basically force the admin team to accept his offer, which by the way is a good offer. 

He can believe all he likes,if he feels like that then he needs to go through the administrators governing body,no one else.

1 minute ago, Kuskus said:

He doesn't know anymore than anybody else,don't know why people are bothering.

12 minutes ago, Big Trav said:

Push comes to shove the EFL then have to decide wether they want to save DCFC and let Ashley takeover it or let us liquidate and lose a big chunk of money. The EFL will force the admins to accept the Ashley deal. He’s just adding pressure and hoping someone cracks 

The EFL cannot do anything of the sort as regards administration,is he hoping the EFL pull the plug then he steps in?

I can't see any other reason for speaking to the EFL

14 minutes ago, Big Trav said:

I did tell you all. Ashley will pick us up but wants to ignore the admins and go directly through EFL 

He can't by law but he can if we are liquidated.

2 minutes ago, LazloW said:

Yes, but to what end? What’s the point in buying a ground with nobody to play in it, or have I missed your point? 

If he was that interested in saving the club he could have stepped in months ago and avoided all this,he may have reasons for wanting the ground,it is alleged he has been in dialogue with the EFL,why,would be interesting.

1 minute ago, LazloW said:

The ground is worthless without a team playing on it isn’t it?  And a team playing in non-league football ain’t going to be able to pay the rent needed to make it economically viable.

If people are thinking he might want to knock it down and stick a massive SportsDirect on it, then think about the cost of buying the site, demolition costs, new build costs and then think whether it would be worth it to get another sports shop in Derby.  They aren’t building massive supermarkets anymore so that’s out and - even if it was viable- it would never get permission for housing. Offices and industry just don’t bring the value and there is no market (hence why a petrol station was probably built on the gas holder  site).

Nah, just don’t see why anybody would be thinking of buying the ground as an investment opportunity separate from the football club.

Doesn't have to pay the administrators or any other creditors,the ground is worth more than the club.