Hanny

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Yes! Let’s indeed enjoy this victory! And hopefully more to come!
 
I’d  like to be clear. I am not pissed off in any way. I legit assumed you were expert level trolling. You seem to be claiming knowledge of restructuring contracts or legal documents. I can’t dispute you have that knowledge. 
 
I just struggle with your approach to leave out important details when making your claims (from a position of knowledge). Which is a pretty big deal. Maybe it’s just this medium (can’t be too detailed in a forum response).
 
I have experience in negotiating corporate software contracts. But have never once sat at a football club table in a deal. So, my comments are to be taken with a grain of salt..which I feel I’ve conveyed..and you haven’t. 

Hope you have a grand evening. 
coyr 

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Yes! Let’s indeed enjoy this victory! And hopefully more to come!
 
I’d  like to be clear. I am not pissed off in any way. I legit assumed you were expert level trolling. You seem to be claiming knowledge of restructuring contracts or legal documents. I can’t dispute you have that knowledge. 
 
I just struggle with your approach to leave out important details when making your claims (from a position of knowledge). Which is a pretty big deal. Maybe it’s just this medium (can’t be too detailed in a forum response).
 
I have experience in negotiating corporate software contracts. But have never once sat at a football club table in a deal. So, my comments are to be taken with a grain of salt..which I feel I’ve conveyed..and you haven’t. 

Hope you have a grand evening. 
coyr 

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Heavy sigh. Has this account been compromised? It seems to currently only comment with half-truths pretending to be 100%true. 
 
I don’t want to get into a pissing match. But, mate, everyone of your statements are made with some level of knowing, yet it’s using incorrect information. The biggest grievance I have with your comments: 
You keep stating the EFL are simply asking for the claims to be paid in full. Well, they can’t demand that. Boro are NOT creditor’s, and therefore do not fall under that statute I’ve seen you post. 
 
Furthermore, it is outside of the EFLs purview to appoint creditors without legal cause. This point is crucial, as Boro and wycombe have zero legal cause to claim monies from Derby.
 
It’s as if you were sat at the closing table ready to sign for the new keys to your house, and some bloke comes in the room and says, wait, you owe me 100 thousand pounds. The room all ask the guy if he has any proof…he says well no, but give me the money. That interaction  is exactly what Boro are doing here. And that type of interaction is not going to stop you from closing on your house. 
 
Therefore, EFL are outside of their remit. Which is what the Administrators pointed out in their last statement. 
 
I really hope you are just performing some expert level trolling here. But please dial it back a bit for the mental health of some of our supporters here:) 

Dunno.
But they aren't 'football creditors'.

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

Well, I don’t particularly trust the EFL here. But I think they understand they can’t just force something like this. Especially if they are outside their remit. Hence, the new ‘save face’ option.
 
And as I have eluded to before- creditors are ringing them up saying: hey, so our money has been offered up by three approved bids (approved by the admins) and you the EFL are gumming up the process witch is stopping  us from getting paid. (This is obvious speculation on my part, but it seems a logical ask by the creditors of the EFL) 
The EFL might try and force clubs and owners to do something, but they can’t force creditors to stay put and not act. At least, I hope that’s where some pressure is coming from. 

My opinion on the new details: 
EFL are trying to save face while continuing to show strength. 
 
To note: I am still working under the impression, the EFL do not have jurisdiction to impose a demand to settle any random claims that aren’t official creditors. So, they continue to push a demand they can’t legally enforce. However: 
The recent list of ‘how to resolve these claims’ gives one new option that I think is the save-face option to get a sale done: ‘take on liability and resolve after exiting admin.’
Of course these claims shouldn’t even be a barrier, and the EFL should not be demanding anything in this regard. However, this option will give any bidder a relatively safe path to buying the club. 
 
Why safe? Because as rightly pointed out numerous times, Boro/Wycombe/etc have zero evidence to prove the claims of monies owed by Derby. And I would be surprised if a court would even hear the case  
So, while a headache for any new owner, it’s more of a task item needing checked off vs a real threat. 
 
Hopefully I’m reading that correctly, and this new ‘out’ will help sort a PB in short order. 
 

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

As I understand it:
the path forward WAS having a bid come through that satisfied the administrators (which is on behalf of the creditors, and ultimately satisfy club asset purchase as well).
That path was found and met by the 3 offers the Admin claim to have. Now EFL are saying, no, we want you to settle these other claims first. To which the administrators are saying- you have no jurisdiction to make that demand.
So the EFL must explain (to all, including the creditors) why they are demanding something more then is needed to ratify the club sale. 
To note: it is my understanding the EFL have no remit to stop a sale because of an outstanding claim by another club. 

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

As I understand it:
the path forward WAS having a bid come through that satisfied the administrators (which is on behalf of the creditors, and ultimately satisfy club asset purchase as well).
That path was found and met by the 3 offers the Admin claim to have. Now EFL are saying, no, we want you to settle these other claims first. To which the administrators are saying- you have no jurisdiction to make that demand.
So the EFL must explain (to all, including the creditors) why they are demanding something more then is needed to ratify the club sale. 
To note: it is my understanding the EFL have no remit to stop a sale because of an outstanding claim by another club. 

I understand the anger, the supposition, and the what-ifs. This is a forum…forums are built on what-ifs. But I am seeing some grasp onto so called ‘details’ as truths. Which seems to be causing unnecessary disputes. 
 
In any negotiation, facts and figures change daily (if not hourly). So we can only really work with the latest data that’s been offered. 
 
The biggest piece being:
The administrators are (in the best way they can while staying with in the guidelines of an accredited legal entity) claiming they have bids for the club that satisfy the needs of the creditors and Club. and want the EFL to clarify why that isn’t good enough for the EFL. 
 
In my eyes- Todays statement from the administrators was a pretty massive shot across the bow. As I eluded in my previous post a couple pages back. After todays statement by the admin. The onus rests completely with the EFL to explain to everybody(including some pretty itchy creditors) why they are not ratifying the club sale. 
 
 

As I understand it:
the path forward WAS having a bid come through that satisfied the administrators (which is on behalf of the creditors, and ultimately satisfy club asset purchase as well).
That path was found and met by the 3 offers the Admin claim to have. Now EFL are saying, no, we want you to settle these other claims first. To which the administrators are saying- you have no jurisdiction to make that demand.
So the EFL must explain (to all, including the creditors) why they are demanding something more then is needed to ratify the club sale. 
To note: it is my understanding the EFL have no remit to stop a sale because of an outstanding claim by another club. 

I understand the anger, the supposition, and the what-ifs. This is a forum…forums are built on what-ifs. But I am seeing some grasp onto so called ‘details’ as truths. Which seems to be causing unnecessary disputes. 
 
In any negotiation, facts and figures change daily (if not hourly). So we can only really work with the latest data that’s been offered. 
 
The biggest piece being:
The administrators are (in the best way they can while staying with in the guidelines of an accredited legal entity) claiming they have bids for the club that satisfy the needs of the creditors and Club. and want the EFL to clarify why that isn’t good enough for the EFL. 
 
In my eyes- Todays statement from the administrators was a pretty massive shot across the bow. As I eluded in my previous post a couple pages back. After todays statement by the admin. The onus rests completely with the EFL to explain to everybody(including some pretty itchy creditors) why they are not ratifying the club sale. 
 
 

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

Mate. You must be trolling with these comments (you’ve made a few, but I just grabbed this one). 
 
The information available to us points to the EFL being the one holding things up. 
 
You keep saying they haven’t added anything, or they are just following the rules. That they aren’t stopping the admins from accepting a bid. 
 
But those are precisely the things that have happened- as proven by the Admins  statement today (and honestly been backed up by the actions/words of Rooney and such).
 
The statement by the Admins. Rooneys comments about things almost finalized, and moving to re-sign and find new players.  Even ole Alan Nixon said the EFLs position appears to be extreme.
 
I don’t understand how you could think the EFL are just hands tied innocent (as your posts seem to suggest) in this situation.

As I understand it:
the path forward WAS having a bid come through that satisfied the administrators (which is on behalf of the creditors, and ultimately satisfy club asset purchase as well).
That path was found and met by the 3 offers the Admin claim to have. Now EFL are saying, no, we want you to settle these other claims first. To which the administrators are saying- you have no jurisdiction to make that demand.
So the EFL must explain (to all, including the creditors) why they are demanding something more then is needed to ratify the club sale. 
To note: it is my understanding the EFL have no remit to stop a sale because of an outstanding claim by another club.