Gee SCREAMER !!

1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Where has all this been reported buddy?

Just a play on the journalists words mate .  I hate the way these things are reported. It's put across like we had any choice.  regarding the 200k I posted last week that as a 16 year old, a fee of around the base limit there required to pay will give him a nice signing on fee with the normal performance related additions. That would turn your head not unreasonably. We will have had too take a pants fee at the lowest rate possible rather than risk tribunal due to our position.

i have seen on here that as he's not 17 till October he can't sign a pro contract.  That begs the question why they wouldn't wait and pay nothing in October.  

Theres always been a food chain in football- up to Madrid and Barcelona at the top.  If this lad came into the team, was brilliant and went to Liverpool for twenty million, fair enough.  If we were 4th in the premier league and Liverpool came in a player will normally go today.  The days of handshake agreements where Goddard and Seth Johnson rejected moves to Liverpool as they gave there word they were coming here are gone.

I think our club is worth more than becoming a feeder club of talent for those who click there fingers though, we may as well call our academy Premier league take your pick.   There should be a minimum 25% sell on set in stone with these things, probably a 25 % of any loan fees as well as Liverpool can't lose.  If he's brilliant they've got a steal on player we've helped develop for years, ifs he's good but not quite good enough - 5 million in championship/ lower prem loan fees- if he's as good as he gets and they let him go in a few years it's pocket change lost. 

A lot gets said about add ons/ sell ons  as well.  There generally rubbish. Logically if he's good for Liverpool where else is he going.  Most likely nowhere.  If he isn't great he get's let go- no extras. If he goes on loan we get nothing extra other than he might score against us on his Wolves debut like Huddlestone. We most likely get the base minimum from this and that's your lot.

 I find the whole thing, how we are being cherry picked and how it's been reported truly repugnant.

31 minutes ago, Footymum2017 said:

I don’t think £3million is a paltry fee for a 16 year old who hasn’t done anything yet! I’m sure there are add ons aswell based on future performance.

3 million ? If Liverpool have coughed up 3 million when they could pay a third of that why would they.

20 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Is what we spend on the academy excluded from P & S?

Yes, academy costs aren't included as far as I know

21 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

Per the original post mate, thats basically what i was saying.  We can't risk a tribunal.

7 minutes ago, Footymum2017 said:

Do you know what the deal is?

 

Yes. We train young players for a few years.  If there wanted by bigger clubs they go for potentially 10% of there long term value.

9 hours ago, Heisenberg said:

 

Fixed that to-

Liverpool have press ganged Derby into taking a paltry fee for a young player, who decided a 200 k signing on fee would be nice. The fee will be less than they pay there reserve goalie for a month with no adds on as Derby were desperate and couldn't risk a tribunal. 

Derby have potentially lost 20 million in kids in two seasons for 10% of the value -  why bother -take the 5/6 million a year for running the academy and just buy two players.

20 minutes ago, oomarkwright said:

Sounds like he's gone from radio Derby. Not good. Just a discussion about compo innit. 

  Maybe on loan. Could do with a younger back up to Colin

2 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

What pub was that? 

One that lost all it's customers

Posted last week, Bournemouth odds on- good players, loads of cash for the next 18 months, uncle Harry to sort it and minimal pressure.  I could get that squad in the playoffs sat at home with a paper smoking a fat one.

If that goes tits up Barnet or Leyton Orient.

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

Start asking about this youngster, by the time we can afford him he'll be ready! ? #COYR

Plenty of B&W in evidence!

 

 

So we know he loves the Kit .  What about the poor child who's birthday it is.

20 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Cat 1 status is essentially an indicator of the quality of coaching... theoretically, the more you spend, the betting the coaching. The added benefit is playing against the best youth sides in the country.

Higher quality players coming through and developing at a faster rate.

No real benefit though if the Liverpool's of this world see them perform well and sign them for tuppence.  

We don't necessarily need to be Category 1 to bring through good young players.  Carsley, Sturridge, Kozluck, Murray, Riggott, Camp, Tudgay, Huddlestone, Barnes, Hendrick, Hughes, Addison.  Sure theres more . All brought through prior to such an academy.  Your right about the coaching of course, but quality of coach comes with a salary rather than facility. Give them the right cash they'll train them on Markeaton park. Have the right coaches and a path to the first team, you still get the quality of youngster without huge outlay on academy costs and the vultures having a meal chucked in front of them, rather than circling to find it.  Better chance of not being spotted.

Sad thing is, losing young players is a big loss to us, it's no loss to a premier league club.  If they don't make it there, they get there cash back in a couple of loan fees. As there not playing for them or selling we don't even get the add ons.  

4 hours ago, chewbacca said:

Yeah...still sounds bitter ?

I assume that refers  to me .  No need to post via the backdoor.

33 minutes ago, Footymum2017 said:

The clubs have all the power at this age, he can only go somewhere if they let him, whereas if the club wants to sell him and he doesn’t want to go he hasn’t really got any say in it.

If he's a scholar though surely he's indicated he want's to go.  If Derby can keep him till the end of that scholarship but he's decided he want's to go surely they get no money or reduced money at that point so have no choice but to cash in ?.  The club have offered him a contract so don't want him to go. ? 

38 minutes ago, Footymum2017 said:

Don’t think he does think that. The club needs the money so think the decision will be made for him.

 

He's been offered a contract though, That being the case I assume he's wanted here.

7 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

This just sounds bitter

No. Peed off with hearing about it now- absolutely.  It's desperate stakes if the biggest thing surrounding the club this window is the future of a a player who's just got onto solids.  If he thinks he's better than a club were he's going to get plenty of games in front of a normally large support fine. Get on with it  . Go ahead - we get cash, he gets it, we pay wages and might get a loan in. He'll get games here but wants to jump that hoop and move to the next one thinking he's good enough at 16 to do it .He might be, but it's one in a hundred .All likelihood he gets swallowed at a bigger club with more resources and bigger fish and in a few years he'll be back in this league with little game time. 

45 minutes ago, Footymum2017 said:

The deal should be finalised next week, he’s going to the club for a couple of days next week.

If he's off he needs to crack on, the media have been on about for 3 weeks.  Nice signing on fee for him, we have wages to pay.  He could have got games here soon, but if he believes he's to big a player for a club with a 25-26k attendance at 16, I look forward to seeing him get his three league cup games in three years at Liverpool then a move to Barnsley.  On we go with those that want to play here.

On 17/01/2021 at 17:02, SKRam said:

Wow look at that pitch at Anfield. You can even play the ball on the deck ..... I thought ours was awful last night . As far as I recall Derby don’t have a rugby team 

No one on here has an explanation? 

I can think of two reasons - Used to be maintained regularly by a local turfing company .  If there not getting paid, there probably not coming or Derby have failed in there experiment to mix regular and synthetic grass, once again they probably did this to save cash on reason A.

On 31/12/2020 at 13:57, BriggRam said:

Oh Colin 

Don't do it . He was only ever going to be here nine months and we've only got a 12 year old as cover.

On 18/01/2021 at 13:59, dcfcreece1601 said:

Player id love - 

Luke jephcott 

20 year old striker at Plymouth in league , 13 goals in 18 games currently,  and last year scored 7 in 14 as a 19 year old , thats some record 

According to a Forest mate of mine they're about to sign this guy for a million or thereabouts.

2 hours ago, Grimbeard said:

Why would we do that? A very good player for us, who, as far as I can see, did very little wrong.

what's it all about...Alfie

2 hours ago, rynny said:

 

 

Congratulations Nosferatu . Your offer of £150 was accepted. Please pay now.

1 hour ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

My Chelski supporting mate is none too impresses with Frank whining that the duff signings are not his fault. 

Mind, hes even less impressed at some whispers that Shevchenko is among the front runners to replace him.....?

Perhaps Uncle Arry, Ferdinand and Drogba can start a social media and Radio campaign singing his praises for a month and change his mind.

They do seem rather absent at the moment however. Funny that.

On 04/01/2021 at 18:53, David said:

He should go. Deserves better than Chelsea fans.

He had them

1 hour ago, MuespachRam said:

Where is he going to go when "his club" sack him...? (leaving out the fact that he played over 200 games for other clubs)

Cant wait to see the barrow boy on Sky on a Sunday afternoon with his cousin Jamie trying to out do each other in clichés and ill fitting suits.

Last nights opponents.  There form has slipped a lot and uncle Harrys round the corner to have a word.  Bit of bunce to top up the old offshore. Jobs a good un.  After that Barnet.

7 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

We should say put all the 2 million in a big pile at the stadium and tell him he can have it whenever he wants under the condition that he drives himself to get it....should be safe enough then.. cant believe the bug eyed knobcheese is still costing us money.

I imagine our counter offer/appeal may go like this