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and on the flipside - no one in the real world without a chip on their shoulder can hear the phrase "white saviour" without being triggered...
even if I take your point at face value, that " by 'reinventing' existing IPs and dramatically changing the content of storylines the existing fanbase enjoys, generally leads to a disgruntled audience followed by cancellation" I still don't really get what you're so bothered about
If anything, you're normally defending the rights to freedom of expression of those being "cancelled" for daring to say what they want to say.
Honestly, does it matter if they lose some readers? It's up to them right? They aren't hurting anyone or impinging on anyone's rights
It just comes across as you're saying it's bad and arguing that - on that basis - they shouldn't do it.
You might want to defend that point - because personally that's what we're getting from your posts
It surely can't be difficult for "defenders of free speech" to understand why people might suspect them of being you know..."a bit right wing" when they defending the rights of Yaxley-Lennon, Farage, Laurence Fox etc to have free speech on things like immigration - but then switch sides when someone as harmless as a sci-fi comic writer reveals a character to be gay, or a trans person wanting to simply live their life in peace asks to be referred to as him/her/they whatever
 
 

Well the thread was nice while it lasted and everyone was taking it at face value and being inclusive about a publishing company's right to reflect the world around us through realistic character development 
If you see an "agenda" then the problem is between yourself and your own prejudice.
Note that no one will accurately explain what they perceive the "agenda" to be - as to do so would be veering into hate speech
And sure, if some comic book guys don't like it they can stop buying it - that's how a free market works. But again, they have to justify to themselves exactly what it is about a character being gay that they "don't like". 

and on the flipside - no one in the real world without a chip on their shoulder can hear the phrase "white saviour" without being triggered...
even if I take your point at face value, that " by 'reinventing' existing IPs and dramatically changing the content of storylines the existing fanbase enjoys, generally leads to a disgruntled audience followed by cancellation" I still don't really get what you're so bothered about
If anything, you're normally defending the rights to freedom of expression of those being "cancelled" for daring to say what they want to say.
Honestly, does it matter if they lose some readers? It's up to them right? They aren't hurting anyone or impinging on anyone's rights
It just comes across as you're saying it's bad and arguing that - on that basis - they shouldn't do it.
You might want to defend that point - because personally that's what we're getting from your posts
It surely can't be difficult for "defenders of free speech" to understand why people might suspect them of being you know..."a bit right wing" when they defending the rights of Yaxley-Lennon, Farage, Laurence Fox etc to have free speech on things like immigration - but then switch sides when someone as harmless as a sci-fi comic writer reveals a character to be gay, or a trans person wanting to simply live their life in peace asks to be referred to as him/her/they whatever
 
 

I new you’d go with Doctor Who, but it’s failings weren’t with the female doctor, it was with sub par story lines, nothing PC. My daughter loved having a female doctor. No agendas shoved down peoples throats as far as I can remember. The arrow verse didn’t really suffer for putting diversity at the forefront. 
creative people like to break the mould. Superman is literally the mould, the first super hero. Of course the writers are going to take the opportunity to stretch the boundaries and break the mould when uk they get the opportunity, it’s what they do. 
hey, maybe it won’t work, maybe it’s a crap idea, but artists will always be artists. And whether you like it or not, you’re entertainment is in the hands of artists. 
you can either stand still, or move forward. 

See, you just had to go and ruin a perfectly good bicker by introducing FACTS over assumptions!
What were you thinking?  ?
 

Nope. You stated on multiple occasions that the writer 'clearly has an agenda'. I'm stating that you do too. I stand by that opinion.
That much we can agree upon.

So there you have it folks. Inclusivity is an agenda. Addressing climate change, yep, agenda. Fighting for those who can't defend themselves (like Superman saving us from space aliens), mad agenda.
But old men not wanting any of these things addressed in a kids' comic book that they've no intention of reading themselves?
Nope. Definitely no agenda there ?‍♀️
 

So the agenda is to update the character for a new audience and time - clearly laid out, like you said.
Which is what you suggest they should be doing
The fact that you still refer to it as "overly PC content" is a bit of a giveaway though.
Put it this way - if a gay writer had been forced by his publishing house to make his lead gay character straight because "we don't want to hijack our existing audience by dramatically changing it to be something other than what they originally wanted" - would you have written multiple lengthy posts defending his right to freedom of expression?
 
 

Well the thread was nice while it lasted and everyone was taking it at face value and being inclusive about a publishing company's right to reflect the world around us through realistic character development 
If you see an "agenda" then the problem is between yourself and your own prejudice.
Note that no one will accurately explain what they perceive the "agenda" to be - as to do so would be veering into hate speech
And sure, if some comic book guys don't like it they can stop buying it - that's how a free market works. But again, they have to justify to themselves exactly what it is about a character being gay that they "don't like". 

Well the thread was nice while it lasted and everyone was taking it at face value and being inclusive about a publishing company's right to reflect the world around us through realistic character development 
If you see an "agenda" then the problem is between yourself and your own prejudice.
Note that no one will accurately explain what they perceive the "agenda" to be - as to do so would be veering into hate speech
And sure, if some comic book guys don't like it they can stop buying it - that's how a free market works. But again, they have to justify to themselves exactly what it is about a character being gay that they "don't like". 

So the agenda is to update the character for a new audience and time - clearly laid out, like you said.
Which is what you suggest they should be doing
The fact that you still refer to it as "overly PC content" is a bit of a giveaway though.
Put it this way - if a gay writer had been forced by his publishing house to make his lead gay character straight because "we don't want to hijack our existing audience by dramatically changing it to be something other than what they originally wanted" - would you have written multiple lengthy posts defending his right to freedom of expression?
 
 

Ok scratch that.  Still have a cough. Test done this morning and it's now positive ?  As is my wife and other daughter, so we are officially a plague house.  Just been and had a drive-in PCR test.  Fortunately my wife and I have both been double jabbed so fingers crossed the symptoms we have, which are essentially cough (for me only), a stuffy head, stiff necks and some breathlessness (for my asthmatic wife) are manageable.  If this is the worst we get having been jabbed, then I'll take that (remembering how ill we both were in Jan '20 before COVID was a thing, with my wife ending up in hospital).  Saddest thing is my wife had a booster jab booked in for Saturday which she'll now need to cancel. 

Highlight one post that hasn't been sensitive to the subject matter or failed to be inclusive.
 
I don't have an agenda.  All I have done is argue that reinventing IPs for a new audience has typically led to the existing audience leaving in droves and the show/comic/whatever doing badly.  
Any actual agenda was clearly laid out by the writer himself;  https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/11/superman-bisexual-dc-comics
“The idea of replacing Clark Kent with another straight white savior felt like a missed opportunity,” Tom Taylor, the series writer, said in an interview with the New York Times.
Kent’s sexuality is not the only way in which the character has been updated for a new audience and time. Recent issues have seen him protesting against the deportation of refugees, stopping a high school shooting and trying to put out wildfires that were the cause of the climate crisis.
 
Not hate speech in the slightest and I have repeated my point several times but it keeps being willfully ignored.  Then I get called out for doubling down...
 
Finally a point we can agree on - and the only real point I've been making.  Recent history has shown us that reinviting IPs for a new audience or suddenly switching to overly PC content kills the fanbase.  Maybe try creating new IPs and building a following up rather trying to hijack an existing audience, dramatically change what they have grown to like then call them bigots for not enjoying something other than what they originally wanted.
In summery your entire post ingores what has been written in the thread and once again tries to deflect blame onto people writing posts rather than the content of the argument put forwards.  
As I stated in my previous post, if you want an echo chamber I'll stop posting.  Enjoy your echo chamber ?

It's a fair point - at that age I used to skip past the Mary-Jane stuff in Spider-man because it was boring. My youngest enjoyed Solo at the cinema but his one criticism was that there was "too much kissing" ?
 

That one always gets the Grannies going at a wedding disco.
On second thoughts - let's not encourage him

Well the thread was nice while it lasted and everyone was taking it at face value and being inclusive about a publishing company's right to reflect the world around us through realistic character development 
If you see an "agenda" then the problem is between yourself and your own prejudice.
Note that no one will accurately explain what they perceive the "agenda" to be - as to do so would be veering into hate speech
And sure, if some comic book guys don't like it they can stop buying it - that's how a free market works. But again, they have to justify to themselves exactly what it is about a character being gay that they "don't like". 

Stop posting…..Stop posting…………..Stop posting…………………………Stop posting……………………………….
 

It seems to me that that 'that guy' who has politely and thoughtfully engaged in an online forum is being attacked for who he is rather than what he has said.  
The hissy flounce most definately seems to be coming from the other side that haven't argued against what he has said - the fact that Son of Superman follows a long trend of similar IPs that have updated themselves for a new audience, only to find themselves cancelled a short while later as the existing audience leaves in droves. 
Instead, they have tried to deflect and attack the poster, attempting to make out he is a snowflake that isn't to busy enjoying his own life to post his imagined reasons, others would say thoughts, on a subject - then have the cheek to call him out for doubling down on his reasons, despite the fact we're on a 'discussion forum'.
If you want an echo chamber I can just stop posting.

Is anyone else getting the ads for penis size reduction surgery? No - just me then ?

Where were all the mithering man-babies when Lois Lane was banging an alien? An illegal one at that.
Inter-species sex... All good, nothing to see here!
But a guy kisses another guy in some new comic book that no ducker is going to read anyway and it's all, 'my babies, my babies, what will become of my babies?'  
Quite simply the funniest hissy flounce ever ?
 

Exactly, and why do football players always insist on taking the knee before matches. I’m not a racist, and I don’t know any racists, so racism has already been eradicated. So why are they shoving their colour down my throat? Why can’t they just live and let live? 
The best superhero was Hank Pym when he was beating up the wasp, I was outraged. God knows why they changed his characterisation in the MCU to pander to the snowflakes. And don’t get me started on that pathetically pandering black panther. A few good old fashioned 60s sensibilities never hurt anyone. 

Hmm. Why is it the people who complain about the number of snowflakes there are around, end up sounding like the snowflakes they keep complaining about?

Speaking as a gay superhero, I'm all in favour of it.

There will be a lot of that, but on the other hand 140k people have died of covid in the UK. It's absolutely right to look at how many of those deaths were avoidable and who could have done more to avoid them
Arguments like "in hindsight, how was I supposed to know that I really ought to have attended those early COBRA meetings?" and then ruffling his floppy hair with a hapless look on his face, won't really wash IMO